lowend is the current G4 processor and mobo. The others are Apollo's + ddr ram.
and this will no way make the G4's as fast as Athlons and P4's...
I agree with Anders that the consumer desktop will be the main attraction, and I guess the G5 will be released some time in the spring in a special event.
<strong>Does any one think the Apollo will remain @ 0.18 µ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It depends on the viability as always - if the Apollo is ment to drive us trough 2002 then a 0.16 micron process (or was it even less? 0.13?) is likely, else it might not make much sense to shift production, I guess.
"This HiP7 technology is the latest development in Motorola's continuous scaling of CMOS process technology. It is commonly referred to as 0.13 micron but contains minimum features of 0.07 micron"
"In addition, Motorola offers specialized features such as Silicon on Insulator (SOI), and in the future, plans to offer breakthrough modules such as MRAM (magnetoresistive random access memory)," she explained. "
"Motorola is currently running embedded microprocessor cores on this advanced 0.13 micron process. Production is expected to begin in second quarter of this year in MOS13,"
So, Motorola has been manufacturing @ least embedded microprocessor cores using the HiP7 process since April 9th 2001, NINE MONTHS ago. Is this long enough to work out the kinks and use this process for the Apollo? I'm not an engineer nor an expert in this field. Any one know the answer?
<strong>Does anyone on this board know just how many Pentium? MHz it takes to equal one PPC MHz?</strong><hr></blockquote>
There's no valid ratio. The architectures are different enough that there's no real common ground; That's even ignoring SIMD instruction sets like SSE(2) and AltiVec.
MHz comparisons like this rely heavily on the calculations being performed. The G4 is a beast at RC5, yet may not hold the same performance advantage in another test. The only valid comparison would be using multiple benchmarks that test various processing aspects; There is no golden ratio.
<strong>Yea but as a general rule I've always heard and been told that our processor is about 2/3's of Intel. So a 500 PPC is about a 750 Plll.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Then how did apple say that the g3s toasted (more then 2x as fast) the pentiums like 3, 4 years ago?
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lowend is the current G4 processor and mobo. The others are Apollo's + ddr ram.
and this will no way make the G4's as fast as Athlons and P4's...
I agree with Anders that the consumer desktop will be the main attraction, and I guess the G5 will be released some time in the spring in a special event.
ap
[ 12-30-2001: Message edited by: ap ]</p>
What about the die shrink to 0.13µ the Apollo was supposed to have? Shouldn't that also allow faster speeds?
SOI 867 X 0.3 = 260
Die Shrink 867 X 0.?? = ??
867 + 260 + ??? = 1127 + ??
Does any one think the Apollo will remain @ 0.18 µ?
<strong>Does any one think the Apollo will remain @ 0.18 µ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It depends on the viability as always - if the Apollo is ment to drive us trough 2002 then a 0.16 micron process (or was it even less? 0.13?) is likely, else it might not make much sense to shift production, I guess.
1. the G5 is out and matures a bit (inital runs are always tricky)
2. Intel is forced to dump the P4 (the true Pentium legacy anyway) for their next-gen chips (which will undoubtedly be named P5, P6, etc.)
As for everyone who doesn't believe DDR will feature in the next revision:
how could apple possibly have not tested DDR into the ground by now? How
long have they had?
<strong>xype: the xp 2000+ is 1664 mhz as I recall. The 1900+ is 1600 mhz.</strong><hr></blockquote>
My bad - only proves the point that AMD is confusing people with the naming
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It will be 867, 1 Ghz and 933DP. The consumer desktop will be the main attaction. Might not even be called iMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>
God I hope not, you're making me cry
<strong>Does any one think the Apollo will remain @ 0.18 µ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Apparently the initial Apollo's are to use a .18µ process. Motorola supposedly wasn't ready in time to produce them using a .13µ process.
It definitely won't stay that way but any Apollos seen in the next revision will be that way.
<a href="http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=mot&script=411&layout=-6&item_id=164832"; target="_blank">http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=mot&script=411&layout=-6&item_id=164832</a>;
"This HiP7 technology is the latest development in Motorola's continuous scaling of CMOS process technology. It is commonly referred to as 0.13 micron but contains minimum features of 0.07 micron"
"In addition, Motorola offers specialized features such as Silicon on Insulator (SOI), and in the future, plans to offer breakthrough modules such as MRAM (magnetoresistive random access memory)," she explained. "
"Motorola is currently running embedded microprocessor cores on this advanced 0.13 micron process. Production is expected to begin in second quarter of this year in MOS13,"
So, Motorola has been manufacturing @ least embedded microprocessor cores using the HiP7 process since April 9th 2001, NINE MONTHS ago. Is this long enough to work out the kinks and use this process for the Apollo? I'm not an engineer nor an expert in this field. Any one know the answer?
<strong>Does anyone on this board know just how many Pentium? MHz it takes to equal one PPC MHz?</strong><hr></blockquote>
There's no valid ratio. The architectures are different enough that there's no real common ground; That's even ignoring SIMD instruction sets like SSE(2) and AltiVec.
MHz comparisons like this rely heavily on the calculations being performed. The G4 is a beast at RC5, yet may not hold the same performance advantage in another test. The only valid comparison would be using multiple benchmarks that test various processing aspects; There is no golden ratio.
[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: whee ]</p>
[ 01-02-2002: Message edited by: whee ]</p>
<strong>Yea but as a general rule I've always heard and been told that our processor is about 2/3's of Intel. So a 500 PPC is about a 750 Plll.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Then how did apple say that the g3s toasted (more then 2x as fast) the pentiums like 3, 4 years ago?
I'd say around double... But what do i know...
-Paul
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Then how did apple say that the g3s toasted (more then 2x as fast) the pentiums like 3, 4 years ago?
I'd say around double... But what do i know...
-Paul</strong><hr></blockquote>
I said general as in across the board all tests configured for a total. That total is around 2/3s. Not sure what the Altivec does to that formula tho.