Not the style of UI, silly. (which I think looks quite good, I hope somebody makes a ShapeShifter theme) I'm talking about the way everything works. It's got Smart Folders, Widgets, metadata search, and even an Exposé knockoff.
Not the style of UI, silly. (which I think looks quite good, I hope somebody makes a ShapeShifter theme) I'm talking about the way everything works. It's got Smart Folders, Widgets, metadata search, and even an Exposé knockoff.
i wasn't showing you the UI, read the content. endless pop-ups, confusing dialogue. i think we all agree that the looks are the same, but the usibility is a mess.
I'll wait for 3 or 4 months after the initial release and see what it has to offer before switching from XP, though.
And I sincerely hope Apple is keeping up with it as well. Boot Camp needs to remain 100% viable.
And whoever says that Vista has a high bar for system requirements must be joking. You can't get the sexy UI crap without a DirectX 9 compatable card, but other than that it's a cinch.
1ghz processor, 512MB RAM, 20GB HD.
Even the Intel GMA 950 integrated video will support the fancy new UI.
That's to be expected, one would at least hope for such improvements, the question is which direction is it going?
Only time will tell that.
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From the screen shots I see your typical MS Windows with all it's unneeded complexities and then some just to make it "more sophisticated."
I could say the same thing about any os including OSX.
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Actually, I think NT was the break for MS, when they went with a Unix type kernel architecture.
NT was never a break for MS, it was a parallel track development for a Posix 1.b compliant system (same standard as UNIX).
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Vista will just be the latest iteration of NT, albeit with some new bell and whistles.
Vista will be like and won't be like NT or any other MS system in many ways. Registry is gone, security is a layer rather than a service, hardware drivers are run in a restricted user-type environment... these are just a few of the very major changes.
Vista will be like and won't be like NT or any other MS system in many ways. Registry is gone, security is a layer rather than a service, hardware drivers are run in a restricted user-type environment... these are just a few of the very major changes. [/B]
these changes are great(in theory). let's see how well they are implemented when vista is released.
I could say the same thing about any os including OSX.
NT was never a break for MS, it was a parallel track development for a Posix 1.b compliant system (same standard as UNIX).
Vista will be like and won't be like NT or any other MS system in many ways. Registry is gone, security is a layer rather than a service, hardware drivers are run in a restricted user-type environment... these are just a few of the very major changes.
I just mean that NT is the relatively modern architecture upon which XP and Vista are built, as OSX and future iterations are for Apple.
I think some people have the impression that modern Windows is some kind of giant house of cruft built on DOS and that MS has yet to experience their "Rhapsody" moment.
Not the style of UI, silly. (which I think looks quite good, I hope somebody makes a ShapeShifter theme) I'm talking about the way everything works. It's got Smart Folders, Widgets, metadata search, and even an Exposé knockoff.
Actually, weren't the Smart Folders relegated to a practically hidden feature?
I just mean that NT is the relatively modern architecture upon which XP and Vista are built, as OSX and future iterations are for Apple.
I think some people have the impression that modern Windows is some kind of giant house of cruft built on DOS and that MS has yet to experience their "Rhapsody" moment.
The NT kernel is as much a mess as what went before it, especially once it started getting hacked and shimmed with gusto. It was a very much needed attempt at a restart, but once it went mainstream into Win2000 it slid backwards into the previous morass. Windows has yet to see a ground-up rewrite that actually chucks the legacy code.
Blatant cross post: 7 Steps To Delete Shortcut in Vista (image below)
And how many alerts are there with a Mac? None. Because mac users know what an alias is. But, mac users don't use aliases like windows users use shortcuts. Why? Because we have the dock. So this is like 7 steps to remove an icon from your dock!
And why is the shortcut's owner the System? Hopefully that will be fixed by the release..... I bet I know why. Because the shortcut was created BY the installer which the system ran.
I wonder how many alerts the final release will have.... that's assuming it's ever released. BTW - Is it a sure thing now that Leopard will come out first? If so, Vista will be kicked back even farther while MS tries to copy all the new features in leopard.
I'll be installing Vista on my shiny new Mac Pro Core 7 Duo in 2010.
I feel sorry for MS...Balmer takes Google semi-seriously but he doesn't take Apple seriously (maybe he's just pretending like Apple isn't serious competition but either way...) ...this will be MS's final undoing. Starting this year, MS will slowly go downhill to Linux, Google, and Apple.
...Starting this year, MS will slowly go downhill to Linux, Google, and Apple...
I'd looooove to see that, but MS will continue to bumble along on XP and when Vista shows up in 2007 sometime and most people get converted to Vista Service Pack 23 in 2010... Microsoft will still be around with at least 75% marketshare unfortunately. Just my guesss.
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Originally posted by Placebo
What unneeded complxities? It looks just like OS X, for christ sake.
Originally posted by Placebo
Not the style of UI, silly. (which I think looks quite good, I hope somebody makes a ShapeShifter theme) I'm talking about the way everything works. It's got Smart Folders, Widgets, metadata search, and even an Exposé knockoff.
i wasn't showing you the UI, read the content. endless pop-ups, confusing dialogue. i think we all agree that the looks are the same, but the usibility is a mess.
I'll wait for 3 or 4 months after the initial release and see what it has to offer before switching from XP, though.
And I sincerely hope Apple is keeping up with it as well. Boot Camp needs to remain 100% viable.
And whoever says that Vista has a high bar for system requirements must be joking. You can't get the sexy UI crap without a DirectX 9 compatable card, but other than that it's a cinch.
1ghz processor, 512MB RAM, 20GB HD.
Even the Intel GMA 950 integrated video will support the fancy new UI.
How daunting!
Originally posted by mattyj
No no, it's so that we can be smug in our smog of smugness...
We had better make sure that doesn't mix with George Clooney's smog of smug and hybrid cars.
Clooney Smug + Hybrid Car Smug + Apple/Mac User Smug = Fucked.
Originally posted by iPeon
That's to be expected, one would at least hope for such improvements, the question is which direction is it going?
Only time will tell that.
From the screen shots I see your typical MS Windows with all it's unneeded complexities and then some just to make it "more sophisticated."
I could say the same thing about any os including OSX.
Actually, I think NT was the break for MS, when they went with a Unix type kernel architecture.
NT was never a break for MS, it was a parallel track development for a Posix 1.b compliant system (same standard as UNIX).
Vista will just be the latest iteration of NT, albeit with some new bell and whistles.
Vista will be like and won't be like NT or any other MS system in many ways. Registry is gone, security is a layer rather than a service, hardware drivers are run in a restricted user-type environment... these are just a few of the very major changes.
Vista will be like and won't be like NT or any other MS system in many ways. Registry is gone, security is a layer rather than a service, hardware drivers are run in a restricted user-type environment... these are just a few of the very major changes. [/B]
these changes are great(in theory). let's see how well they are implemented when vista is released.
Originally posted by guanyu158
these changes are great(in theory). let's see how well they are implemented when vista is released.
Indeed.
Originally posted by skatman
Only time will tell that.
I could say the same thing about any os including OSX.
NT was never a break for MS, it was a parallel track development for a Posix 1.b compliant system (same standard as UNIX).
Vista will be like and won't be like NT or any other MS system in many ways. Registry is gone, security is a layer rather than a service, hardware drivers are run in a restricted user-type environment... these are just a few of the very major changes.
I just mean that NT is the relatively modern architecture upon which XP and Vista are built, as OSX and future iterations are for Apple.
I think some people have the impression that modern Windows is some kind of giant house of cruft built on DOS and that MS has yet to experience their "Rhapsody" moment.
Originally posted by Placebo
Not the style of UI, silly. (which I think looks quite good, I hope somebody makes a ShapeShifter theme) I'm talking about the way everything works. It's got Smart Folders, Widgets, metadata search, and even an Exposé knockoff.
Actually, weren't the Smart Folders relegated to a practically hidden feature?
Originally posted by DeaPeaJay
Actually, weren't the Smart Folders relegated to a practically hidden feature?
Woot combining Hidden and Smart Folders - that sounds like a new feature from MS. Who says they can't innovate? Really useful, probably
Originally posted by addabox
I just mean that NT is the relatively modern architecture upon which XP and Vista are built, as OSX and future iterations are for Apple.
I think some people have the impression that modern Windows is some kind of giant house of cruft built on DOS and that MS has yet to experience their "Rhapsody" moment.
The NT kernel is as much a mess as what went before it, especially once it started getting hacked and shimmed with gusto. It was a very much needed attempt at a restart, but once it went mainstream into Win2000 it slid backwards into the previous morass. Windows has yet to see a ground-up rewrite that actually chucks the legacy code.
Originally posted by ecking
We had better make sure that doesn't mix with George Clooney's smog of smug and hybrid cars.
Clooney Smug + Hybrid Car Smug + Apple/Mac User Smug = Fucked.
lol haha
the world will be comming to an end with that smug storm
Originally posted by sunilraman
Blatant cross post: 7 Steps To Delete Shortcut in Vista (image below)
And how many alerts are there with a Mac? None. Because mac users know what an alias is. But, mac users don't use aliases like windows users use shortcuts. Why? Because we have the dock. So this is like 7 steps to remove an icon from your dock!
And why is the shortcut's owner the System? Hopefully that will be fixed by the release..... I bet I know why. Because the shortcut was created BY the installer which the system ran.
I wonder how many alerts the final release will have.... that's assuming it's ever released. BTW - Is it a sure thing now that Leopard will come out first? If so, Vista will be kicked back even farther while MS tries to copy all the new features in leopard.
...Vista will be kicked back even farther while MS tries to copy all the new features in leopard...
I feel sorry for MS...Balmer takes Google semi-seriously but he doesn't take Apple seriously (maybe he's just pretending like Apple isn't serious competition but either way...) ...this will be MS's final undoing. Starting this year, MS will slowly go downhill to Linux, Google, and Apple.
...Starting this year, MS will slowly go downhill to Linux, Google, and Apple...
I'd looooove to see that, but MS will continue to bumble along on XP and when Vista shows up in 2007 sometime and most people get converted to Vista Service Pack 23 in 2010... Microsoft will still be around with at least 75% marketshare unfortunately. Just my guesss.