I dunno about some of the ideas being passed around here. The way I see it, Apple has two options here: make a regular components, nothing cut out MacBook mini with some stupid OS on flash crap; or a pocketable internet tablet, similar to the 770. If you try and mix the two, you get a UMPC. It's got no optical drive, standard tiny tablet Windows XP, it's bulky, not pocketable, etc.
So say Apple did do a mini with a 10 or 11" screen. Sure, I don't see a problem with that. I dunno who would say 13 is small, cause to me it sure isn't. I mean, if I had the choice I would've gone with something a bit smaller. Thus the mini. But, if you're gonna cut out a lot of the components, why necessitate a huge 10" screen?
That's where we go into 770 territory. People say it's too small, and has no real use. Well, if you want a small pocketable machine that you can use to connect to the net anywhere, they you may enjoy it. No, it isn't a music player, or media hub. It's meant to connect you online. That's it. But don't forget how vastly huge the net is. I think it would be a very cool product, especially if Apple made one, with amazing design, built-in iSight, great UI, etc, etc.
Then there's the one problem that all products seem to be gaining internet access, eliminating the need for such a tablet product. I mean, look at the DS Lite, or even cell phones. And I can very easily see the rumoured 6G iPod with video incorporating wifi access either at launch or maybe shortly afterwards.
*sigh*
Now we're waiting for iPod video, iPhone, MacBook mini, iTablet...
Although, in recent years, Apple seems to have given fanboys more and more of what we've been screaming for for years... Shuffle, Mac mini, Intel, iPod w/ video, MacBook. So are theses seemingly crazy products really just around the corner?
Huh, reminds me of the 8" Mac tablet I have been going on about for the last four months or so?
[deadhorse mode]
8" widescreen multi-touch LCD
1.0GHz ULV Core Solo CPU
533MHz FSB
512MB NAND flash memory
2GB DDR2 SDRAM (two SO-DIMM slots)
32GB 1.8" FlashRAM HDD
Intel GMA950 integrated GPU
WUSB (wireless USB)
AirPort Extreme
BlueTooth
Quad band cell capabilities
Pivoting iSight camera
stereo BlueTooth headset w/microphone
Stylus
Mac OS X 10.5
iLife '06
iWork '06
About the size of a DVD case (which is really close to a 16:10 ratio) and half again as thick...
[/deadhorse mode]
specs may change, four months is almost an eternity in microprocessor time?
Huh?
The only problem I have with this is that it's to small to efficiently edit a film on iMovie, or make a presentation in Keynote. And then, it's too large to even fit in your pocket. Either you go the cut-down route with small screen (ala 770) or full capability route with larger, though under 13" screen.
I like your ideas for the most part. It's basically an Apple-ized 770, which I definitely would buy in a heartbeat. I'm sure it would have almost twice the functionality of the 770, and be 10x better in usability and design. Here's where something like a cut-down miniTunes would work, or small organization apps like iCal work. I mean, something like this may not be good for creating presentations, but it would be awesome for showing them (via a projector of course lol). But I digress... will it ever happen is the question.
While I like some things about the Nokia 770, I think you'd want the equivalent Apple device to be able to act better as a standalone computer. All the 770 has for connectivity is WiFi, Bluetooth and a reduced size MMC slot.
I think this device would have to have a video out (mini-DVI), USB and preferably also FireWire. Some kind of detachable USB keyboard that can also act as a cover would be nice. I really think you want more like an 8" or 10" screen though. It'd be good if most OS X apps would work well with the screen resolution, and I think it'd be a tight fit on a screen like the 770's. Only way around that is if Apple starts providing a Front Row type front-end to apps like Mail, Address Book, iCal, Safari, etc.
Originally posted by palegolas I need that gpu since I'm working with gfx and video all the time.
So I'll bite...what apps are you running that take advantage of GPU?
And you're really going to run those GPU intensive apps on the smallest screen you can buy?
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Originally posted by natec
.....because the 25 seconds it takes my MacBook to boot up is just waaaayyyyyy too slow, when i restart once every two or three weeks.....
How fast does your MB wake from hibernation? I assume the fast boot is aimed at users who want to shut down instead of sleep or hibernate, don't those still use some power?
How fast does your MB wake from hibernation? I assume the fast boot is aimed at users who want to shut down instead of sleep or hibernate, don't those still use some power?
Hibernate does not use power, but it takes maybe ten seconds to get going again, a little longer for more than stock memory. Sleep wakes up almost instantly, but does take some power.
Score. What a beautiful product it will be. This would seem to finish out the line for Apple. Everything from ultra portable to the Mac Pro (when it comes out). Then no one will have a reason to buy a PC.
Hibernate does not use power, but it takes maybe ten seconds to get going again, a little longer for more than stock memory. Sleep wakes up almost instantly, but does take some power.
Sleep will drain my iBook in less than 7 days. Sleep is great but it sucks the power.
So I'll bite...what apps are you running that take advantage of GPU?
And you're really going to run those GPU intensive apps on the smallest screen you can buy?
How fast does your MB wake from hibernation? I assume the fast boot is aimed at users who want to shut down instead of sleep or hibernate, don't those still use some power?
My iBook wakes up from sleep instantly and my MBP 2 GHz sometimes takes 5 seconds and two tries. Hopefully, 10.4.7 will fix that.
That's where we go into 770 territory. People say it's too small, and has no real use. Well, if you want a small pocketable machine that you can use to connect to the net anywhere, they you may enjoy it. No, it isn't a music player, or media hub. It's meant to connect you online. That's it. But don't forget how vastly huge the net is. I think it would be a very cool product, especially if Apple made one, with amazing design, built-in iSight, great UI, etc, etc. [
The 770 actually can do most of the things you describe. It has a built in media player that can support most every non proprietary format (ie. ITMS music/video and Windows Media) available. Video looks fantastic on it, as do photos and music sounds great. Even the user interface isn't terrible and more apps are available all the time.
The only things that I have found lacking on it is the handwriting recognition, which makes a first gen Newton look good.I've found that most people who bash the 770 have never seriously used one (or even seen it). With a bluetooth keyboard, it could very nearly replace my MBP as the main note taking device in classes.
I dont know much about NAND technology or what limits it would put on high end applications. The technology itself sounds cool....but would it really be a replacement for the 12" pro laptop like some suggest?
I tend to guess not, but rather create a whole new niche that Apple hasnt really tapped in awhile, the "ultra portable".
But how ultra portable? I mean if I get a 13" macbook now for when I travel, would I shell out again for an ultra portable? And how much MORE portable will it be? Would the 13" macbook be THAT much BIGGER?
It sounds cool though. I COULD see alot of people who travel alot go for it. I see it mainly as a websurfing light work laptop though. Kinda like a macbook lite.
But thats me.
If so, that would still leave a hole in the small apple pro laptop market. The macbooks are cool, but slightly "crippled" with an integrated gpu and lacking some pro features.
Will apple ever offer a pro sub notebook or even a small pro laptop again?
Dunno.
Gonna buy the next upgrade to the macbook. If nothing else comes out before then that is. ;-)
I dont know much about NAND technology or what limits it would put on high end applications. The technology itself sounds cool....but would it really be a replacement for the 12" pro laptop like some suggest?
I tend to guess not, but rather create a whole new niche that Apple hasnt really tapped in awhile, the "ultra portable".
But how ultra portable? I mean if I get a 13" macbook now for when I travel, would I shell out again for an ultra portable? And how much MORE portable will it be? Would the 13" macbook be THAT much BIGGER?
It sounds cool though. I COULD see alot of people who travel alot go for it. I see it mainly as a websurfing light work laptop though. Kinda like a macbook lite.
But thats me.
If so, that would still leave a hole in the small apple pro laptop market. The macbooks are cool, but slightly "crippled" with an integrated gpu and lacking some pro features.
Will apple ever offer a pro sub notebook or even a small pro laptop again?
Dunno.
Gonna buy the next upgrade to the macbook. If nothing else comes out before then that is. ;-)
Then it would have to be either a MacNano, or a NanoMac, because all computers from Apple from now on (in the forseeable future) will have "Mac" in the name.
As I have stated before, in many other threads, there needs to be three distinct models of Apple multi-input touchscreen tablets...
The 8" model, for technogeeks everywhere, and also great for sys admins...
The 13.3" model for education & business users...
And the 17" model for the DCC crowd...
All models able to slot into a docking station, with external keyboard & mouse, assorted display options, optical & SATA drives...?
I envision the architects where I wageslave using the 17" tablet on field surveys and as the touchscreen client frontend for an ArchiOffice database, while piping their AutoCAD (running natively on Intel hardware running WindowsOS via built-in OS X virtualization goodness...) onto a 30" ACD when in the office...
13.3" tablets & 23" ACDs for the architect interns, aka associates...
And finally a sweet little 8" model for me to use as a constant sys admin tool... For keeping an eye on everyone in ARD...
I like threatening to "Lock it down! Lock it ALL down!" when they come to me with the latest malaise caused by WinBlow$...
Plus, SketchUp would be so very SWEET on a 17" Apple multi-input touchscreen tablet... Stylus as input for drawing, fingertip/hand gestures for viewport navigation...?!?
Which means I would have both a 8" & 17" tablet in my bag most times...
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So say Apple did do a mini with a 10 or 11" screen. Sure, I don't see a problem with that. I dunno who would say 13 is small, cause to me it sure isn't. I mean, if I had the choice I would've gone with something a bit smaller. Thus the mini. But, if you're gonna cut out a lot of the components, why necessitate a huge 10" screen?
That's where we go into 770 territory. People say it's too small, and has no real use. Well, if you want a small pocketable machine that you can use to connect to the net anywhere, they you may enjoy it. No, it isn't a music player, or media hub. It's meant to connect you online. That's it. But don't forget how vastly huge the net is. I think it would be a very cool product, especially if Apple made one, with amazing design, built-in iSight, great UI, etc, etc.
Then there's the one problem that all products seem to be gaining internet access, eliminating the need for such a tablet product. I mean, look at the DS Lite, or even cell phones. And I can very easily see the rumoured 6G iPod with video incorporating wifi access either at launch or maybe shortly afterwards.
*sigh*
Now we're waiting for iPod video, iPhone, MacBook mini, iTablet...
Although, in recent years, Apple seems to have given fanboys more and more of what we've been screaming for for years... Shuffle, Mac mini, Intel, iPod w/ video, MacBook. So are theses seemingly crazy products really just around the corner?
Originally posted by MacRonin
Huh, reminds me of the 8" Mac tablet I have been going on about for the last four months or so?
[deadhorse mode]
8" widescreen multi-touch LCD
1.0GHz ULV Core Solo CPU
533MHz FSB
512MB NAND flash memory
2GB DDR2 SDRAM (two SO-DIMM slots)
32GB 1.8" FlashRAM HDD
Intel GMA950 integrated GPU
WUSB (wireless USB)
AirPort Extreme
BlueTooth
Quad band cell capabilities
Pivoting iSight camera
stereo BlueTooth headset w/microphone
Stylus
Mac OS X 10.5
iLife '06
iWork '06
About the size of a DVD case (which is really close to a 16:10 ratio) and half again as thick...
[/deadhorse mode]
specs may change, four months is almost an eternity in microprocessor time?
Huh?
The only problem I have with this is that it's to small to efficiently edit a film on iMovie, or make a presentation in Keynote. And then, it's too large to even fit in your pocket. Either you go the cut-down route with small screen (ala 770) or full capability route with larger, though under 13" screen.
I like your ideas for the most part. It's basically an Apple-ized 770, which I definitely would buy in a heartbeat. I'm sure it would have almost twice the functionality of the 770, and be 10x better in usability and design. Here's where something like a cut-down miniTunes would work, or small organization apps like iCal work. I mean, something like this may not be good for creating presentations, but it would be awesome for showing them (via a projector of course lol). But I digress... will it ever happen is the question.
I think this device would have to have a video out (mini-DVI), USB and preferably also FireWire. Some kind of detachable USB keyboard that can also act as a cover would be nice. I really think you want more like an 8" or 10" screen though. It'd be good if most OS X apps would work well with the screen resolution, and I think it'd be a tight fit on a screen like the 770's. Only way around that is if Apple starts providing a Front Row type front-end to apps like Mail, Address Book, iCal, Safari, etc.
Originally posted by palegolas I need that gpu since I'm working with gfx and video all the time.
So I'll bite...what apps are you running that take advantage of GPU?
And you're really going to run those GPU intensive apps on the smallest screen you can buy?
Originally posted by natec
.....because the 25 seconds it takes my MacBook to boot up is just waaaayyyyyy too slow, when i restart once every two or three weeks.....
How fast does your MB wake from hibernation? I assume the fast boot is aimed at users who want to shut down instead of sleep or hibernate, don't those still use some power?
Originally posted by minderbinder
How fast does your MB wake from hibernation? I assume the fast boot is aimed at users who want to shut down instead of sleep or hibernate, don't those still use some power?
Hibernate does not use power, but it takes maybe ten seconds to get going again, a little longer for more than stock memory. Sleep wakes up almost instantly, but does take some power.
Originally posted by Homestar06
Score. What a beautiful product it will be. This would seem to finish out the line for Apple. Everything from ultra portable to the Mac Pro (when it comes out). Then no one will have a reason to buy a PC.
Mac Digital Life Technology... the MacDLT
Originally posted by JeffDM
Hibernate does not use power, but it takes maybe ten seconds to get going again, a little longer for more than stock memory. Sleep wakes up almost instantly, but does take some power.
Sleep will drain my iBook in less than 7 days. Sleep is great but it sucks the power.
Originally posted by minderbinder
So I'll bite...what apps are you running that take advantage of GPU?
And you're really going to run those GPU intensive apps on the smallest screen you can buy?
How fast does your MB wake from hibernation? I assume the fast boot is aimed at users who want to shut down instead of sleep or hibernate, don't those still use some power?
My iBook wakes up from sleep instantly and my MBP 2 GHz sometimes takes 5 seconds and two tries. Hopefully, 10.4.7 will fix that.
Originally posted by aplnub
My iBook wakes up from sleep instantly and my MBP 2 GHz sometimes takes 5 seconds and two tries. Hopefully, 10.4.7 will fix that.
Safe Sleep is the reason.
Originally posted by JLL
Safe Sleep is the reason.
Yes I have a condom on each finger whenever I interact with my computer.
Originally posted by blackbird_1.0
*Cries because he just bought a MacBook a month ago*
This is a RUMOUR about a product that MIGHT be released in JANUARY. There's no reason to cry.
Um... right. Obviously this man has never come off a plane and turned his cell phone back on.
Or am I the only one for whom "Searching for Network" means anything?
Originally posted by danbirchall
"The same way you come off a plane and get a cell phone signal immediately."
Um... right. Obviously this man has never come off a plane and turned his cell phone back on.
Or am I the only one for whom "Searching for Network" means anything?
I don't know. Between landing and exiting I send 5 emails from my Crack Berry. I think the man has a point, I want my computer on in about 5 seconds.
That's where we go into 770 territory. People say it's too small, and has no real use. Well, if you want a small pocketable machine that you can use to connect to the net anywhere, they you may enjoy it. No, it isn't a music player, or media hub. It's meant to connect you online. That's it. But don't forget how vastly huge the net is. I think it would be a very cool product, especially if Apple made one, with amazing design, built-in iSight, great UI, etc, etc. [
The 770 actually can do most of the things you describe. It has a built in media player that can support most every non proprietary format (ie. ITMS music/video and Windows Media) available. Video looks fantastic on it, as do photos and music sounds great. Even the user interface isn't terrible and more apps are available all the time.
The only things that I have found lacking on it is the handwriting recognition, which makes a first gen Newton look good.I've found that most people who bash the 770 have never seriously used one (or even seen it). With a bluetooth keyboard, it could very nearly replace my MBP as the main note taking device in classes.
I dont know much about NAND technology or what limits it would put on high end applications. The technology itself sounds cool....but would it really be a replacement for the 12" pro laptop like some suggest?
I tend to guess not, but rather create a whole new niche that Apple hasnt really tapped in awhile, the "ultra portable".
But how ultra portable? I mean if I get a 13" macbook now for when I travel, would I shell out again for an ultra portable? And how much MORE portable will it be? Would the 13" macbook be THAT much BIGGER?
It sounds cool though. I COULD see alot of people who travel alot go for it. I see it mainly as a websurfing light work laptop though. Kinda like a macbook lite.
But thats me.
If so, that would still leave a hole in the small apple pro laptop market. The macbooks are cool, but slightly "crippled" with an integrated gpu and lacking some pro features.
Will apple ever offer a pro sub notebook or even a small pro laptop again?
Dunno.
Gonna buy the next upgrade to the macbook. If nothing else comes out before then that is. ;-)
Originally posted by regan
I like "NanoBook".
I dont know much about NAND technology or what limits it would put on high end applications. The technology itself sounds cool....but would it really be a replacement for the 12" pro laptop like some suggest?
I tend to guess not, but rather create a whole new niche that Apple hasnt really tapped in awhile, the "ultra portable".
But how ultra portable? I mean if I get a 13" macbook now for when I travel, would I shell out again for an ultra portable? And how much MORE portable will it be? Would the 13" macbook be THAT much BIGGER?
It sounds cool though. I COULD see alot of people who travel alot go for it. I see it mainly as a websurfing light work laptop though. Kinda like a macbook lite.
But thats me.
If so, that would still leave a hole in the small apple pro laptop market. The macbooks are cool, but slightly "crippled" with an integrated gpu and lacking some pro features.
Will apple ever offer a pro sub notebook or even a small pro laptop again?
Dunno.
Gonna buy the next upgrade to the macbook. If nothing else comes out before then that is. ;-)
Then it would have to be either a MacNano, or a NanoMac, because all computers from Apple from now on (in the forseeable future) will have "Mac" in the name.
Originally posted by OriginalMacRat
MacBook Nano????
What about MacBook Express?
Originally posted by noq
What about MacBook Express?
That's not bad... But I think MacBook nano probably captures what the laptop will be--tiny, rather than fast, per se.
Originally posted by MacRonin
About the size of a DVD case (which is really close to a 16:10 ratio) and half again as thick...
Still can't quite clip it to my belt, though...
The 8" model, for technogeeks everywhere, and also great for sys admins...
The 13.3" model for education & business users...
And the 17" model for the DCC crowd...
All models able to slot into a docking station, with external keyboard & mouse, assorted display options, optical & SATA drives...?
I envision the architects where I wageslave using the 17" tablet on field surveys and as the touchscreen client frontend for an ArchiOffice database, while piping their AutoCAD (running natively on Intel hardware running WindowsOS via built-in OS X virtualization goodness...) onto a 30" ACD when in the office...
13.3" tablets & 23" ACDs for the architect interns, aka associates...
And finally a sweet little 8" model for me to use as a constant sys admin tool... For keeping an eye on everyone in ARD...
I like threatening to "Lock it down! Lock it ALL down!" when they come to me with the latest malaise caused by WinBlow$...
Plus, SketchUp would be so very SWEET on a 17" Apple multi-input touchscreen tablet... Stylus as input for drawing, fingertip/hand gestures for viewport navigation...?!?
Which means I would have both a 8" & 17" tablet in my bag most times...
;^p