pcs arebetter value , macs are stupidly overpriced.
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I think you should consider the word "value" here. Macs have both a better experience and a higher resale than PC's IMHO.
I spent 5 glorious days in the mountains with my father marred only by having to use his 1 GHz PC notebook. My wife's Powermac 7500 with a 400MHz upgrade blew this thing away with both flow and speed. Sure, she's on OS9 and it was on XP but c'mon.
Also, I don't know why people don't mention more often how high the resale of a Mac is. If you buy a $1299 PC and a $1999 Mac, I'll bet that in a year that PC will sell for $400 and the Mac $1400+. Isn't that value?
And if that's not enough, a PC audio professional colleague of mine has had to re-install XP 5 (!) times this year. Me and my mac? Zero. Isn't your time worth something?
BM
P.S. That audio professional on PC I know is constantly amazed at what I get done on a 733 MHz computer compared to his 1.6 GHz Athlon. He jokes about what kind of work he'd be doing on a 733 MHz PC right now...
P.S. That audio professional on PC I know is constantly amazed at what I get done on a 733 MHz computer compared to his 1.6 GHz Athlon. ...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but despite his amazement he still uses a PC. Why?
Probably because he wouldn't be very productive at first. He'd have to learn the Mac before he could become productive. Staying with the PC is probably wiser for now so he can keep his job.
Yeah, but despite his amazement he still uses a PC. Why?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's like Son of Pismo said, and the fact I'm the first Mac user he's ever worked with - he's young and comes from a PC family. He still thinks saving money on the front end is everything.
Another big problem even if he wanted to is software cross-over. We use a host application and about 25 other plugins by as many companies. Once you're commited to a platform...
BM
P.S. I was thinking about the point of this forum afterwards, and I believe Apple is justified in charging whatever they feel they need to. They've earned it by consistantly standing by a motto of user experience. It's like the electric guitar market, anyone can make a guitar for $300 but why do people still pay $3000 for a Les Paul Standard? Doesn't it play all the same chords?
It doesn't work that way man. You can't get an X5 without back seats or airbags just because you don't want them. The package is sold as just that, a package. Unfortunately, the only other option in this case is a Wintel PC. I'd stop my complaining and spend the extra money for the whole package; back seats and all, even if I "don't need them."</strong><hr></blockquote>
Your comparison is stupid and does not reflect what I said. I do not want essential things removed, and I do not want to be forced to pay for superfluous ones.
In other words, it's like all SUVs having a $15,000 mobile home permanently attached. Options are nice, but there is a limit to what should be an option and what should not.
Like a trailer, some of the new "features" of Jaguar take up resources, unnecessarily slow things down, and adds too much cost.
Of course if Apple sold it, you would buy it. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
every time someone starts ranting about "apple+prices+hardware" or "why is the mac better?" all of us apple-nuts feel rubbed the wrong way and start flaming.
most of the time pc-users don't realy want a answer - but want to start a flamewar.
so don't feed them.
this thread is a example.
brian: if you want real answer - place a real question
<strong>DONT Buy an icebook -imusing one-flimsy garbage..i hate laptops.
i had the choice 'tween this POS and a 667 pmac
what a twat' me is.
PMac here i come.</strong><hr></blockquote>
icebooks kick ass. ive bounced mine off the coffee table twice as well as sent it shooting accross my car during emergency braking procedures... works perfectly, it never even woke up
couldn't ask for anything more out of a tiny portable.
I hate to sour this forum with positive comments, Im such a bastard
How on earth can apple justify its outrageous prices?
That was the question posed, and it has caused quite a little debate... well, here is the answer Bryan Fury:
The don't have to. Apple does not need to justify anything. The beauty of the way the economy works is that if Apple actually had outrageous prices, no one would buy their computers and they'd go out of business. In reality Apple is doing very well and therefore they obviously don't have that outrageous of prices.
If you feel Apple is ripping you off, return your iBook (or sell it to someone who'll appreciate it) and buy another kind of computer.
I'm not trying to start a fight with you, nor am I easily dismissing your inquiry. All I am saying is that as a consumer you have the ability to decide if Apple's prices are worth their product. If you don't feel that way then you do not need to purchase them.
Now, this forum is filled with people who see value in what Apple makes and they are willing to pay for it. If they felt ripped off, they wouldn't buy from Apple again.
Personally, I've never paid for a PC. I don't feel that the cost for building my own PC and installing Linux or Windows on it is justifiable. I do however pay a lot (in my opinion) to buy a Macintosh. I really enjoy using these computers, and I feel they are worth the expense.
You don't have to understand the mentality of die-hard Mac users, hell, I don't understand the mentality of PC users who'll spend a couple grand on the newest Wintel offering, nor do I understand people who spend a couple hundred on rollerblades when they could buy a skateboard or those who by P Diddy CDs when they could better spend their money on Prefuse 73.
Everyone thinks something has a different value. The first step is to respect their opinion and understand that it is their value system.
No one forces you to buy an Apple computer, just like no one forces me to buy a PC.
Bottom line: The prices don't need to be justified.
Another big problem even if he wanted to is software cross-over. We use a host application and about 25 other plugins by as many companies. Once you're commited to a platform...
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I've often thought about this. I think it keeps some people on macs and other's off macs. Maybe that balances out, maybe not.
Perhaps platform commitments tend to be long term. I know it would bother me to REPAY the cost of previously owned apps just to switch platforms.
They need a solution here. Pilfering the world of Unix and (PPC) Linux apps seems like a good start, but changing platforms can be painful in spite of all Apple's good work to be as standards friendly as possible.
A graphic artist, musician, or A/V pro can easily have a few thousand dollars worth of Apps on his computer. Even a person or business willing to pay the Apple Premium would flinch at the cost of this platform tax.
What can Apple do about it?
Might there be a way to work with software companies to transfer Windows licences to Mac? Perhaps through an upgrade price on a new Mac version (conditional on returned Windows licences).
Though I'm not sure how Apple could make a case for such a proposal, it might be worth investigation.
They don't have to "justify" their "outrageous" prices because they aren't outrageous prices. They are fair and reasonable prices. The starter of this thread obviously doesn't value what Apple does for the world. But there are those of us who do and are willing to pay for it.
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pcs arebetter value , macs are stupidly overpriced.
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I think you should consider the word "value" here. Macs have both a better experience and a higher resale than PC's IMHO.
I spent 5 glorious days in the mountains with my father marred only by having to use his 1 GHz PC notebook. My wife's Powermac 7500 with a 400MHz upgrade blew this thing away with both flow and speed. Sure, she's on OS9 and it was on XP but c'mon.
Also, I don't know why people don't mention more often how high the resale of a Mac is. If you buy a $1299 PC and a $1999 Mac, I'll bet that in a year that PC will sell for $400 and the Mac $1400+. Isn't that value?
And if that's not enough, a PC audio professional colleague of mine has had to re-install XP 5 (!) times this year. Me and my mac? Zero. Isn't your time worth something?
BM
P.S. That audio professional on PC I know is constantly amazed at what I get done on a 733 MHz computer compared to his 1.6 GHz Athlon. He jokes about what kind of work he'd be doing on a 733 MHz PC right now...
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P.S. That audio professional on PC I know is constantly amazed at what I get done on a 733 MHz computer compared to his 1.6 GHz Athlon. ...</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah, but despite his amazement he still uses a PC. Why?
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Yeah, but despite his amazement he still uses a PC. Why?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's like Son of Pismo said, and the fact I'm the first Mac user he's ever worked with - he's young and comes from a PC family. He still thinks saving money on the front end is everything.
Another big problem even if he wanted to is software cross-over. We use a host application and about 25 other plugins by as many companies. Once you're commited to a platform...
BM
P.S. I was thinking about the point of this forum afterwards, and I believe Apple is justified in charging whatever they feel they need to. They've earned it by consistantly standing by a motto of user experience. It's like the electric guitar market, anyone can make a guitar for $300 but why do people still pay $3000 for a Les Paul Standard? Doesn't it play all the same chords?
Because it plays better.
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It doesn't work that way man. You can't get an X5 without back seats or airbags just because you don't want them. The package is sold as just that, a package. Unfortunately, the only other option in this case is a Wintel PC. I'd stop my complaining and spend the extra money for the whole package; back seats and all, even if I "don't need them."</strong><hr></blockquote>
Your comparison is stupid and does not reflect what I said. I do not want essential things removed, and I do not want to be forced to pay for superfluous ones.
In other words, it's like all SUVs having a $15,000 mobile home permanently attached. Options are nice, but there is a limit to what should be an option and what should not.
Like a trailer, some of the new "features" of Jaguar take up resources, unnecessarily slow things down, and adds too much cost.
Of course if Apple sold it, you would buy it. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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Of course if Apple sold it, you would buy it. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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Yea i know I would! Got an iPod, Got an iBook, iMac, Got Old IIci's and 950 quad, waiting for Next round of goodies.
But yea know just to show I am not Blind, I don't much care for the new iBooks ( ICEBOOKS) Look and Feel a little Flimzy to me.
i had the choice 'tween this POS and a 667 pmac
what a twat' me is.
PMac here i come.
every time someone starts ranting about "apple+prices+hardware" or "why is the mac better?" all of us apple-nuts feel rubbed the wrong way and start flaming.
most of the time pc-users don't realy want a answer - but want to start a flamewar.
so don't feed them.
this thread is a example.
brian: if you want real answer - place a real question
..People like you make me wish I was.
<strong>DONT Buy an icebook -imusing one-flimsy garbage..i hate laptops.
i had the choice 'tween this POS and a 667 pmac
what a twat' me is.
PMac here i come.</strong><hr></blockquote>
icebooks kick ass. ive bounced mine off the coffee table twice as well as sent it shooting accross my car during emergency braking procedures... works perfectly, it never even woke up
couldn't ask for anything more out of a tiny portable.
I hate to sour this forum with positive comments, Im such a bastard
That was the question posed, and it has caused quite a little debate... well, here is the answer Bryan Fury:
The don't have to. Apple does not need to justify anything. The beauty of the way the economy works is that if Apple actually had outrageous prices, no one would buy their computers and they'd go out of business. In reality Apple is doing very well and therefore they obviously don't have that outrageous of prices.
If you feel Apple is ripping you off, return your iBook (or sell it to someone who'll appreciate it) and buy another kind of computer.
I'm not trying to start a fight with you, nor am I easily dismissing your inquiry. All I am saying is that as a consumer you have the ability to decide if Apple's prices are worth their product. If you don't feel that way then you do not need to purchase them.
Now, this forum is filled with people who see value in what Apple makes and they are willing to pay for it. If they felt ripped off, they wouldn't buy from Apple again.
Personally, I've never paid for a PC. I don't feel that the cost for building my own PC and installing Linux or Windows on it is justifiable. I do however pay a lot (in my opinion) to buy a Macintosh. I really enjoy using these computers, and I feel they are worth the expense.
You don't have to understand the mentality of die-hard Mac users, hell, I don't understand the mentality of PC users who'll spend a couple grand on the newest Wintel offering, nor do I understand people who spend a couple hundred on rollerblades when they could buy a skateboard or those who by P Diddy CDs when they could better spend their money on Prefuse 73.
Everyone thinks something has a different value. The first step is to respect their opinion and understand that it is their value system.
No one forces you to buy an Apple computer, just like no one forces me to buy a PC.
Bottom line: The prices don't need to be justified.
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Another big problem even if he wanted to is software cross-over. We use a host application and about 25 other plugins by as many companies. Once you're commited to a platform...
</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've often thought about this. I think it keeps some people on macs and other's off macs. Maybe that balances out, maybe not.
Perhaps platform commitments tend to be long term. I know it would bother me to REPAY the cost of previously owned apps just to switch platforms.
They need a solution here. Pilfering the world of Unix and (PPC) Linux apps seems like a good start, but changing platforms can be painful in spite of all Apple's good work to be as standards friendly as possible.
A graphic artist, musician, or A/V pro can easily have a few thousand dollars worth of Apps on his computer. Even a person or business willing to pay the Apple Premium would flinch at the cost of this platform tax.
What can Apple do about it?
Might there be a way to work with software companies to transfer Windows licences to Mac? Perhaps through an upgrade price on a new Mac version (conditional on returned Windows licences).
Though I'm not sure how Apple could make a case for such a proposal, it might be worth investigation.
The dual 1.25 GHz Double Mirrored Door Macs RULE!
[ 08-24-2002: Message edited by: Multimedia ]</p>