I visited a Fry's Outlet store and went to the Apple section to try out one of the 15" Macbook Pros and they were plugged in and when I went up to go use one they were EXTREMELY COOL, literally. They didn't feel very warm at all. I messed around with it and played chess, opened about ten safari windows, played a song in iTunes with the Visualizer, and opened everything in the dock at the same time and continued to use it for about fifteen minutes and the laptop still seemed very cool. I asked the Apple-Department Manager at Fry's and he said they had been on since the morning (I went to the store in the evening).
At first I thought I had witnessed a miracle in the works, but then I went to the Apple Store around my house. After driving about twenty minutes, I finally got a chance to use some of the Macbook Pros. I had the exact same experience with each of them.
Is it just me or am I living in some sort of parallel universe where temperatures are inversed around my house? lol j/k
EDIT: Well, perhaps it may be a problem on a very large scale and I may have just touched a handful of goodeggs. Although, like I've heard before, it always seems that the people who have problems with their Macbook/Pro's complain whereas the people who don't have problems with their machines tend to not post about their good experiences.
When I tested the Macbook Pro at Fry's, I asked the Apple-Department Manager there if I could test out the laptop with the battery inside. Sure enough, he let me do it. We plugged in the battery along with the Magsafe and I came back about thirty minutes later after browsing around and the Macbook Pro had become somewhat warmer, but it wasn't even close to being unbearable or even mildy hot. I couldn't check the temperature but it felt pretty cool.
Heh. I guess I didn't see the liquid-cooling setup in the table, cleverly concealed under the base of the macbook.....
Apple salesperson: "Yeah, man, high performance, minimum watts, just feel this MacBook Pro... It's 100% CPU loaded and, wow, it feels chilly, no? Yeah.... you could put your Coke or Mountain Dew or Beer on the laptop, next to the trackpad, and yeah, man, it'll stay nice and frosty....."
Heck, I have the last of the Titanium PowerBook G4s (1 GHz) and it still has some of the same problems as the original TiBook. The paint chips and flakes, the computer runs hot, the hinges aren't great, I've gone through about 10 power adapters, the battery has a tendancy to *fall out*, etc.
That was the last TiBook they made. Then they released the Aluminum PowerBooks which had it's own set of new issues to be worked out.
I also own the last of the Titanium PowerBooks G4s (1 GHz) and yeah, the paint chips and flakes, The superdrive died a couple of months ago, but it I think it doesn't run as hot as my brother's Aluminum 17-inch PowerBook G4.
On the bright side, I'm on my second power adapter only, and I can even use the first one since I patched it, and the battery still works well. The hinges work perfectly. This is a computer that's over 3 years old.
I bought a 2.1 GHZ MacBook Pro in Tokyo a week and a half ago and it is very quiet, the heat is less than with my 12 inch G4 Powerbook, the fan, which rarely comes on, is so quiet I can barely hear it, and I am just very, very happy with the total package. I haven't found a negative yet. They've fixed the problem for at least one MacBook Pro.
It's closer to 2.2 GHZ if we're rounding to one decimal place.
Glad to hear your MacBook Pro is sounding good with no whine or heat issues. Overall on one of the polls on AppleInsider it looks like most people are happy. Which is not much consolation to those with problems though, hmm...... \
...Also related, when will most programs be running universal?
Almost everything is Universal now, especially AFAIK all Apple apps are already Universal or available as Universal. You can check for your favourite apps and see if they are available as Universal, I think you'll find a lot have been made Universal by now.
The only glaring "problem" is Adobe/ Macromedia and MSOffice for Mac if you use those regularly. These are not expected to be Universal until at least March 2007 as a rough approximation. However with the MacBook/ MacBook Pro it appears MSOffice is usable, but heavy Photoshop and Flash people will need to hang on to their PowerBooks, or get one from eBay.
2 of my friends own the 17" MBP, they got em around the same time. Neither of them have had problems at all. Heat? oh ya, just when it is plugged in the magsafe connector.
I own a black macbook and I have had no problems, but I got the macbook because I too was worried about problems with the MBP, but there are none now at all, and all 3 of us just now got our laptops. And I am actually going to be switching too the new 17" MBP asap.
I don't think the problems will abate until at least Merom comes on the scene with Apple. And that's a maybe.
The aluminum PowerBook design carry-over that occured with the MacBook Pro has a lot of problems.
I have said this before, but I think that aluminum design costs Apple a fortune because it's so intricate to service. Nothing is easily accessible. At least with the Titnanium PowerBook, you could easily access the logic board and hard drive.
Now when you need to replace, say a hard drive, you have to take out some 10-12 screws and it all has to be put back together a certain way, and even then it's not as "tight" as it was before disassembly. It's a real nightmare.
I think Apple will redesign the entire MBP soon. Even the MacBook has an easily replaceable hard drive now.
I purchased the 15" macbook pro this weekend and I owned it for less than 72 hours. I was reading such mixed reviews on Rosetta performance and figured it would be at least usable. The short answer is it's not. If you use Photoshop or Illustrator you should not buy this product.
Rosetta crashed constantly. I mean constantly. Photoshop and Illustrator take 5 minutes to load up and switching between apps is more painful than the dentist. Weird things would be slow... ie going to the save dialog box took like 30 seconds but it would refresh a large shadow in Illustrator almost instantly.
Ultimately, it was the crashes that forced me to take it back. Fortunately, the Apple Store took it back and waived the restocking fee due to the fact it did not even perform close to the level they said it would.
I had to have a laptop though for work so I picked up an older PowerBook G4 at CompUSA. They gave me an additional $100 off and their warranty is better than AppleCare.
I don't believe any mac laptop should have the word "pro" on it unless it can run all adobe products successfully. But I'm probably being selfish.
I'm sure those laptops will scream in a year when CS-3 finally comes out, but until then...
Got my Mac Book Pro today. Turned it on at about 4 in the afternoon and it is now 11:30 at night and the heating is no more then any laptop I have ever used. I currently have it in my lap and it is not burning at all. I also haven't had any loud fan noises! I am so glad that the computer is A OK. And man do I love it!
Hey, how much RAM did you have in your Macbook Pro? I have about 1.5gbs and everything runs quite smoothly in Rosetta, especially Photoshop.
I had 1 gig. What kind of work do you do? I'm typically working on 80 meg product shots and Illustrator files that are 70" x 40" with tons of effects applied.
I had 1 gig. What kind of work do you do? I'm typically working on 80 meg product shots and Illustrator files that are 70" x 40" with tons of effects applied.
App switching crashed it almost every time.
I have 2GB Ram with the 7200 rpm HDD and it is fine on 40 mb files. InDesign does ok with a 80 page catalog layout.
With 512 mb ram, my computer was not usable under Rosetta. Increase your ram.
I own both the Macbook Black, and the Macbook Pro. And I love the MBP. No problems yet, at all. It is noticably hotter than my mb. But not by much. So I hope that helps the decision.
I had 1 gig. What kind of work do you do? I'm typically working on 80 meg product shots and Illustrator files that are 70" x 40" with tons of effects applied.
App switching crashed it almost every time.
I did Webdesign with Photoshop CS2 and Flash MX/Dreamweaver both open, but I only used Photoshop on the Macbook Pro and the other work in Parallels.
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I visited a Fry's Outlet store and went to the Apple section to try out one of the 15" Macbook Pros and they were plugged in and when I went up to go use one they were EXTREMELY COOL, literally. They didn't feel very warm at all. I messed around with it and played chess, opened about ten safari windows, played a song in iTunes with the Visualizer, and opened everything in the dock at the same time and continued to use it for about fifteen minutes and the laptop still seemed very cool. I asked the Apple-Department Manager at Fry's and he said they had been on since the morning (I went to the store in the evening).
At first I thought I had witnessed a miracle in the works, but then I went to the Apple Store around my house. After driving about twenty minutes, I finally got a chance to use some of the Macbook Pros. I had the exact same experience with each of them.
Is it just me or am I living in some sort of parallel universe where temperatures are inversed around my house? lol j/k
EDIT: Well, perhaps it may be a problem on a very large scale and I may have just touched a handful of goodeggs. Although, like I've heard before, it always seems that the people who have problems with their Macbook/Pro's complain whereas the people who don't have problems with their machines tend to not post about their good experiences.
When I tested the Macbook Pro at Fry's, I asked the Apple-Department Manager there if I could test out the laptop with the battery inside. Sure enough, he let me do it. We plugged in the battery along with the Magsafe and I came back about thirty minutes later after browsing around and the Macbook Pro had become somewhat warmer, but it wasn't even close to being unbearable or even mildy hot. I couldn't check the temperature but it felt pretty cool.
Then about last week I went back and felt it up, and it seemed fairly cool at idle. Maybe they installed all the latest Apple patches ??
Or they repaired the stores airco.
Heh.
Apple salesperson: "Yeah, man, high performance, minimum watts, just feel this MacBook Pro... It's 100% CPU loaded and, wow, it feels chilly, no? Yeah.... you could put your Coke or Mountain Dew or Beer on the laptop, next to the trackpad, and yeah, man, it'll stay nice and frosty....."
Originally posted by Fran441
Heck, I have the last of the Titanium PowerBook G4s (1 GHz) and it still has some of the same problems as the original TiBook. The paint chips and flakes, the computer runs hot, the hinges aren't great, I've gone through about 10 power adapters, the battery has a tendancy to *fall out*, etc.
That was the last TiBook they made. Then they released the Aluminum PowerBooks which had it's own set of new issues to be worked out.
I also own the last of the Titanium PowerBooks G4s (1 GHz) and yeah, the paint chips and flakes, The superdrive died a couple of months ago, but it I think it doesn't run as hot as my brother's Aluminum 17-inch PowerBook G4.
On the bright side, I'm on my second power adapter only, and I can even use the first one since I patched it, and the battery still works well. The hinges work perfectly. This is a computer that's over 3 years old.
I say this is the Rev P model for the TiBooks.
it gets hot occasionally but nothign to go nutts over.
R/Otto
It's closer to 2.2 GHZ if we're rounding to one decimal place.
Glad to hear your MacBook Pro is sounding good with no whine or heat issues. Overall on one of the polls on AppleInsider it looks like most people are happy. Which is not much consolation to those with problems though, hmm......
...Also related, when will most programs be running universal?
Almost everything is Universal now, especially AFAIK all Apple apps are already Universal or available as Universal. You can check for your favourite apps and see if they are available as Universal, I think you'll find a lot have been made Universal by now.
The only glaring "problem" is Adobe/ Macromedia and MSOffice for Mac if you use those regularly. These are not expected to be Universal until at least March 2007 as a rough approximation. However with the MacBook/ MacBook Pro it appears MSOffice is usable, but heavy Photoshop and Flash people will need to hang on to their PowerBooks, or get one from eBay.
2 of my friends own the 17" MBP, they got em around the same time. Neither of them have had problems at all. Heat? oh ya, just when it is plugged in the magsafe connector.
I own a black macbook and I have had no problems, but I got the macbook because I too was worried about problems with the MBP, but there are none now at all, and all 3 of us just now got our laptops. And I am actually going to be switching too the new 17" MBP asap.
The aluminum PowerBook design carry-over that occured with the MacBook Pro has a lot of problems.
I have said this before, but I think that aluminum design costs Apple a fortune because it's so intricate to service. Nothing is easily accessible. At least with the Titnanium PowerBook, you could easily access the logic board and hard drive.
Now when you need to replace, say a hard drive, you have to take out some 10-12 screws and it all has to be put back together a certain way, and even then it's not as "tight" as it was before disassembly. It's a real nightmare.
I think Apple will redesign the entire MBP soon. Even the MacBook has an easily replaceable hard drive now.
Rosetta crashed constantly. I mean constantly. Photoshop and Illustrator take 5 minutes to load up and switching between apps is more painful than the dentist. Weird things would be slow... ie going to the save dialog box took like 30 seconds but it would refresh a large shadow in Illustrator almost instantly.
Ultimately, it was the crashes that forced me to take it back. Fortunately, the Apple Store took it back and waived the restocking fee due to the fact it did not even perform close to the level they said it would.
I had to have a laptop though for work so I picked up an older PowerBook G4 at CompUSA. They gave me an additional $100 off and their warranty is better than AppleCare.
I don't believe any mac laptop should have the word "pro" on it unless it can run all adobe products successfully. But I'm probably being selfish.
I'm sure those laptops will scream in a year when CS-3 finally comes out, but until then...
Originally posted by mnm2004bft
Hey, how much RAM did you have in your Macbook Pro? I have about 1.5gbs and everything runs quite smoothly in Rosetta, especially Photoshop.
I had 1 gig. What kind of work do you do? I'm typically working on 80 meg product shots and Illustrator files that are 70" x 40" with tons of effects applied.
App switching crashed it almost every time.
Originally posted by cpenzone
I had 1 gig. What kind of work do you do? I'm typically working on 80 meg product shots and Illustrator files that are 70" x 40" with tons of effects applied.
App switching crashed it almost every time.
I have 2GB Ram with the 7200 rpm HDD and it is fine on 40 mb files. InDesign does ok with a 80 page catalog layout.
With 512 mb ram, my computer was not usable under Rosetta. Increase your ram.
Originally posted by shetline
Inevitably, something better will be out in six months* or so, and in the next six months or so after that, etc., etc. That's why God invented eBay.
I thought Al Gore invented eBay?
I own both the Macbook Black, and the Macbook Pro. And I love the MBP. No problems yet, at all. It is noticably hotter than my mb. But not by much. So I hope that helps the decision.
Originally posted by cpenzone
I had 1 gig. What kind of work do you do? I'm typically working on 80 meg product shots and Illustrator files that are 70" x 40" with tons of effects applied.
App switching crashed it almost every time.
I did Webdesign with Photoshop CS2 and Flash MX/Dreamweaver both open, but I only used Photoshop on the Macbook Pro and the other work in Parallels.