PS: It is hot and I am cranky, please accept my apologies in advance.
Apology accepted, though I will comment that there was once a time when knowledge came from education rather than from a quick googling. I suppose I am a throwback to the days when dinosaurs ruled the earth and people didn't develop their vocabularies from phonetic guesswork after spoken conversation.
To the AI poster who was the butt of my clearly-weak attempt at humorous correction, please accept my apology -- but please also add "vice versa" to your vocabulary.
And on that note, I shall withdraw from the thread. Well, after commenting how much it bites that the Parallels folks jacked up the price for no reason other than favorable press for their product.
Well, after commenting how much it bites that the Parallels folks jacked up the price for no reason other than favorable press for their product.
It's still a fair bit cheaper than VMWare Workstation. But then it's certainly not as polished a product. One would like to believe that large price increases would come due to more features, better performance, etc.
Personally I look forward to being able to afford a MacTel and Parallels. When I switched to Macs (a 667 15" PB) I was only able to do so because of VPC - I have to demo a small Win only app - and was not impressed with the speed.
Parallels offers potential Mac users an opportunity to use their Win apps (especially the proprietary ones) without rebooting and that can go a long way in helping switchers actually buy a Mac.
Glad to see Apple supporting the company and hope they can buy part of it in order to keep MS from buying the entire company. MS isn't going to like Macs running Win apps - especially if the new users just use an old version of Windows laying around instead of buying a new license.
on a related note... i was in my local apple store like 4 or so days ago and noticed it on the shelf. I think one of the guys said they had just got it in. It was 79 bux and i noticed it said something about having "on the fly switching" in full screen mode which looked kinda neat. Kinda like a built-in virtue desktops.
Looked neat. They only had like 1 or 2 copies left... but yeah.. its definitely aready in the stores. At least already in Apple Retail Stores....
Don't know if anyone else noticed... but the new Apple ad where the "Mac" says, "and I'm a PC too" includes fine print at the bottom of the screen that says "Requires seperate purchase of Windows and Parallels software" or something like that.
What's the point of selling Parallels in store withpout selling boxed copies of XP? Apple said they wouldn't sell or support Windows directly, so now you buy your Mac and a copy of Parallels at the Apple Store and then have to drive to CompUSA to buy Windows?
Don't most people have a copy of XP with SP2 lying around somewhere?
This is good for Apple and makes sense for buyers.
Up through the G5, the Apple Store sold Virtual PC ($79.95 without Windows).
So, selling Parallels for $79.95 without Windows is a no-brainer.
Better yet, it is vitally important for people that absolutely need access to those one or two Windows-only programs they need for work. Without that capability, it could be a show stopper for selling a new Mac box. Yeah, Boot Camp works, but for seemless operation, Parallels is "da-bomb".
For example, some friends and I have been using the word "soonly" a lot because it's shorter and sounds better than "sometime soon". I heard some politician who had poor public speaking skills use it in a press conference and laughed at first, but then it stuck. Go figure...
You usually add "ly" to make an adjective into an adverb, but "soon" is already an adverb. Sure, cut out the redundant "sometime" (soon can only refer to a time), but why add the "ly"? We're going soon. When will they will meet? Soon. I'll soon be even more confused.
Parallels is certainly worth having for Intel mac users but don't forget Crossover.
A friend showed me a beta version running yesterday. I watched Internet Explorer 6 run all on its own, no XP in sight, nothing just IE6, on a Mac. It worked flawlessly and printed to the Mac printer and even allowed copy and paste to any Mac app. This solved all those problems with banks etc. where Macs are marginalized. No XP no issues with Spyware, Adware or Viruses as far as i can see... correct me if I am wrong but where are they going to go and what are they going to attack?
I wanted to see this to see if it would access MLS a database created for Realtors in the USA. It has been created by folk who must be on MS payroll as it won't work on any Mac running any browser (even with Mac pretending to be a PC).
It worked flawlessly! Hear this Realtors in the USA... you can buy a Mac and use MLS. You heard this from me first so go sell my listings will ya
Some issues: The only snag we hit was a link that launched an e-mail app was stymied as there was no e-mail app in the Crossover environment as we had it set up, I had hoped it would just launch Mail.app in OSX. I hope Crossover folk fix it so it will launch Mail in OSX as it can now access print drivers seamlessly.
This is only a beta remember! Ironically only web site we found with problems in half an hour of playing was ... Apple! I wonder if Apple detect machine accessing and try to do something different (ly) and Crossover running IE6 on a Mac without XP is confusing something like a cookie generator?
Meanwhile the solution is to add Outlook Express too but that is one thing I'd rather not add if I don't have. He also added Office and that worked fine too.
It has been said by many so called experts in this forum WINE isn't a viable option. I listened and didn't know till yesterday. This is absolutely amazing, it works for the apps we tried and for those that don't you have Parallel.
PC software you MUST have on a Mac and no bloody Windows in sight. Priceless!
License agreements with MS may be an issue I am sure but as I see it; if I own a PC with Office and XP and I am prepared to ignite the PC with a gallon of gasoline once I have installed all the software I need from XP and Office on a Mac surely I am running it on one computer only as per any agreement I have seen? It doesn't say anywhere, "Unless it is a Mac" does it?
What's the point of selling Parallels in store withpout selling boxed copies of XP? Apple said they wouldn't sell or support Windows directly, so now you buy your Mac and a copy of Parallels at the Apple Store and then have to drive to CompUSA to buy Windows?
So...Apple is doing what it said it would do. Surprising, but not (in this case) unexpected.
What if the user isn't planning on using Windows XP? Or Windows at all for that matter? Or already has a copy of whatever OS it is they want?
Has anyone tried the Parallels software? Is it any good?
I don't much fancy having to reboot everytime I need to switch as with Boot Camp - what a pain!
I'm not that familiar with this stuff. What happens if you install XP and get a virus? Does it only affect the Windows partition or does it affect the OSX part aswell?
Has anyone tried the Parallels software? Is it any good?
I don't much fancy having to reboot everytime I need to switch as with Boot Camp - what a pain!
I'm not that familiar with this stuff. What happens if you install XP and get a virus? Does it only affect the Windows partition or does it affect the OSX part aswell?
I use it and love it. It has worked GREAT GREAT GREAT so far. I run AutoCad 2006 LT in it daily.
I also have PCBSD and am in the middle of a Solaris 10 installation. Solaris has some issues but as far as Windows XP goes, it is the bomb.
Has anyone tried the Parallels software? Is it any good?
I don't much fancy having to reboot everytime I need to switch as with Boot Camp - what a pain!
I'm not that familiar with this stuff. What happens if you install XP and get a virus? Does it only affect the Windows partition or does it affect the OSX part aswell?
I use it to test my websites on, and yes, it is very good. The speed is faster than my Windows PC's at work. Incredible really.
It's pretty simple to get to grips with.
You do need to keep the copy of Windows within Parallels up to date and all the usual stuff, as Windows can get viruses etc like any on any PC. However, because it is virtualisation, if your Virtual Windows get a virus, it won't affect your Mac OS X installation.
Personally I would love to see Apple turn the heat up on both Microsoft and DELL.
If I were Steve, I would start selling a bare-bones Mac mini and Mac Book with Windows pre-installed. Sell more computers and lower your costs. This could also take a nice chunk out of DELL's marketshare and get Apple's foot into a lot of businesses.
Whoa! Backup there fella! As a Mac-user, the whole reason why we all (historically) wanted Apple to do well, was to increase the userbase of our chosen OPERATING SYSTEM.
IE. The more people using your system of choice, then the greater the compatibility with other people, because more of them are using the same OPERATING SYSTEM.
For so many years, Mac-users have been "drinking the cool-aid" from Apple, impressed by how everything just works. Fine. Great. Hype that aspect.
But to spur Apple on in the direction of simply selling alternate platform boxes, just to see their share holders profit is tantamount to a cool-aid overload.
That's about as logical as saying "I don't care what my bank charges or what they do with my money, they been my bank for years, and I just want them to have my money and succeed".
I use it to test my websites on, and yes, it is very good. The speed is faster than my Windows PC's at work. Incredible really.
It's pretty simple to get to grips with.
You do need to keep the copy of Windows within Parallels up to date and all the usual stuff, as Windows can get viruses etc like any on any PC. However, because it is virtualisation, if your Virtual Windows get a virus, it won't affect your Mac OS X installation.
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Originally posted by Neruda
PS: It is hot and I am cranky, please accept my apologies in advance.
Apology accepted, though I will comment that there was once a time when knowledge came from education rather than from a quick googling. I suppose I am a throwback to the days when dinosaurs ruled the earth and people didn't develop their vocabularies from phonetic guesswork after spoken conversation.
To the AI poster who was the butt of my clearly-weak attempt at humorous correction, please accept my apology -- but please also add "vice versa" to your vocabulary.
And on that note, I shall withdraw from the thread. Well, after commenting how much it bites that the Parallels folks jacked up the price for no reason other than favorable press for their product.
Originally posted by jimhill
Well, after commenting how much it bites that the Parallels folks jacked up the price for no reason other than favorable press for their product.
It's still a fair bit cheaper than VMWare Workstation. But then it's certainly not as polished a product. One would like to believe that large price increases would come due to more features, better performance, etc.
Parallels offers potential Mac users an opportunity to use their Win apps (especially the proprietary ones) without rebooting and that can go a long way in helping switchers actually buy a Mac.
Glad to see Apple supporting the company and hope they can buy part of it in order to keep MS from buying the entire company. MS isn't going to like Macs running Win apps - especially if the new users just use an old version of Windows laying around instead of buying a new license.
on a related note... i was in my local apple store like 4 or so days ago and noticed it on the shelf. I think one of the guys said they had just got it in. It was 79 bux and i noticed it said something about having "on the fly switching" in full screen mode which looked kinda neat. Kinda like a built-in virtue desktops.
Looked neat. They only had like 1 or 2 copies left... but yeah.. its definitely aready in the stores. At least already in Apple Retail Stores....
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
What's the point of selling Parallels in store withpout selling boxed copies of XP? Apple said they wouldn't sell or support Windows directly, so now you buy your Mac and a copy of Parallels at the Apple Store and then have to drive to CompUSA to buy Windows?
Don't most people have a copy of XP with SP2 lying around somewhere?
Steve
Originally posted by ThinkingDifferent
Why is this news?
Because it relates to Apple and virtualization is important.
Up through the G5, the Apple Store sold Virtual PC ($79.95 without Windows).
So, selling Parallels for $79.95 without Windows is a no-brainer.
Better yet, it is vitally important for people that absolutely need access to those one or two Windows-only programs they need for work. Without that capability, it could be a show stopper for selling a new Mac box. Yeah, Boot Camp works, but for seemless operation, Parallels is "da-bomb".
Originally posted by auxio
For example, some friends and I have been using the word "soonly" a lot because it's shorter and sounds better than "sometime soon". I heard some politician who had poor public speaking skills use it in a press conference and laughed at first, but then it stuck. Go figure...
You usually add "ly" to make an adjective into an adverb, but "soon" is already an adverb. Sure, cut out the redundant "sometime" (soon can only refer to a time), but why add the "ly"? We're going soon. When will they will meet? Soon. I'll soon be even more confused.
Parallels is certainly worth having for Intel mac users but don't forget Crossover.
A friend showed me a beta version running yesterday. I watched Internet Explorer 6 run all on its own, no XP in sight, nothing just IE6, on a Mac. It worked flawlessly and printed to the Mac printer and even allowed copy and paste to any Mac app. This solved all those problems with banks etc. where Macs are marginalized. No XP no issues with Spyware, Adware or Viruses as far as i can see... correct me if I am wrong but where are they going to go and what are they going to attack?
I wanted to see this to see if it would access MLS a database created for Realtors in the USA. It has been created by folk who must be on MS payroll as it won't work on any Mac running any browser (even with Mac pretending to be a PC).
It worked flawlessly! Hear this Realtors in the USA... you can buy a Mac and use MLS. You heard this from me first so go sell my listings will ya
Some issues: The only snag we hit was a link that launched an e-mail app was stymied as there was no e-mail app in the Crossover environment as we had it set up, I had hoped it would just launch Mail.app in OSX. I hope Crossover folk fix it so it will launch Mail in OSX as it can now access print drivers seamlessly.
This is only a beta remember! Ironically only web site we found with problems in half an hour of playing was ... Apple! I wonder if Apple detect machine accessing and try to do something different (ly) and Crossover running IE6 on a Mac without XP is confusing something like a cookie generator?
Meanwhile the solution is to add Outlook Express too but that is one thing I'd rather not add if I don't have. He also added Office and that worked fine too.
It has been said by many so called experts in this forum WINE isn't a viable option. I listened and didn't know till yesterday. This is absolutely amazing, it works for the apps we tried and for those that don't you have Parallel.
PC software you MUST have on a Mac and no bloody Windows in sight. Priceless!
License agreements with MS may be an issue I am sure but as I see it; if I own a PC with Office and XP and I am prepared to ignite the PC with a gallon of gasoline once I have installed all the software I need from XP and Office on a Mac surely I am running it on one computer only as per any agreement I have seen? It doesn't say anywhere, "Unless it is a Mac" does it?
I ordered my Intel Mac on seeing this done!
Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
What's the point of selling Parallels in store withpout selling boxed copies of XP? Apple said they wouldn't sell or support Windows directly, so now you buy your Mac and a copy of Parallels at the Apple Store and then have to drive to CompUSA to buy Windows?
So...Apple is doing what it said it would do. Surprising, but not (in this case) unexpected.
What if the user isn't planning on using Windows XP? Or Windows at all for that matter? Or already has a copy of whatever OS it is they want?
I don't much fancy having to reboot everytime I need to switch as with Boot Camp - what a pain!
I'm not that familiar with this stuff. What happens if you install XP and get a virus? Does it only affect the Windows partition or does it affect the OSX part aswell?
Originally posted by Shaun, UK
Has anyone tried the Parallels software? Is it any good?
I don't much fancy having to reboot everytime I need to switch as with Boot Camp - what a pain!
I'm not that familiar with this stuff. What happens if you install XP and get a virus? Does it only affect the Windows partition or does it affect the OSX part aswell?
I use it and love it. It has worked GREAT GREAT GREAT so far. I run AutoCad 2006 LT in it daily.
I also have PCBSD and am in the middle of a Solaris 10 installation. Solaris has some issues but as far as Windows XP goes, it is the bomb.
http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=64902
I will have to check out CrossOver though. This is the first I have heard about it.
Parallels give you the oppurtunity to run the entire OS (Linux, BSD, Windows, etc.).
Originally posted by Shaun, UK
Has anyone tried the Parallels software? Is it any good?
I don't much fancy having to reboot everytime I need to switch as with Boot Camp - what a pain!
I'm not that familiar with this stuff. What happens if you install XP and get a virus? Does it only affect the Windows partition or does it affect the OSX part aswell?
I use it to test my websites on, and yes, it is very good. The speed is faster than my Windows PC's at work. Incredible really.
It's pretty simple to get to grips with.
You do need to keep the copy of Windows within Parallels up to date and all the usual stuff, as Windows can get viruses etc like any on any PC. However, because it is virtualisation, if your Virtual Windows get a virus, it won't affect your Mac OS X installation.
Originally posted by SpamSandwich
Good luck with taht.
Bravo clap, clap, clap, Bravooooo!
Originally posted by Johnny Mozzarella
Personally I would love to see Apple turn the heat up on both Microsoft and DELL.
If I were Steve, I would start selling a bare-bones Mac mini and Mac Book with Windows pre-installed. Sell more computers and lower your costs. This could also take a nice chunk out of DELL's marketshare and get Apple's foot into a lot of businesses.
Whoa! Backup there fella! As a Mac-user, the whole reason why we all (historically) wanted Apple to do well, was to increase the userbase of our chosen OPERATING SYSTEM.
IE. The more people using your system of choice, then the greater the compatibility with other people, because more of them are using the same OPERATING SYSTEM.
For so many years, Mac-users have been "drinking the cool-aid" from Apple, impressed by how everything just works. Fine. Great. Hype that aspect.
But to spur Apple on in the direction of simply selling alternate platform boxes, just to see their share holders profit is tantamount to a cool-aid overload.
That's about as logical as saying "I don't care what my bank charges or what they do with my money, they been my bank for years, and I just want them to have my money and succeed".
Brand loyalty should have limits.
Originally posted by jonparadise
I use it to test my websites on, and yes, it is very good. The speed is faster than my Windows PC's at work. Incredible really.
It's pretty simple to get to grips with.
You do need to keep the copy of Windows within Parallels up to date and all the usual stuff, as Windows can get viruses etc like any on any PC. However, because it is virtualisation, if your Virtual Windows get a virus, it won't affect your Mac OS X installation.
Thanks for the info.