there was another history channel discussion of the plagues and the first born died because by custom they ate first (i guess when the family is hungary or starved and it was a mold or fungus on the limited grain that the first born ate that killed them, they ate first died first. does history channel part of itunes so i could download this , it's a facinating theory.
Thousands of years of oral history and linguistic gymnastics performed during translations have the wonderful effect of changing the intent of the original statement, and imbue odd, yet explainable occurances with a storyteller's romantic or theological world view.
I found a link but it isn't the rigorous discription of the plagues i was looking for, it was indeed on cable and i also read it but can't find the exact link here is something similar
i'm still looking for better discription of the co2 cloud and as far as the angel of death "passing over" if co2 if would "pass under" the jews, but interesting thoughts. i need to do more research
please provide detailed links
also if a co2 cloud had to travel 500 miles would it be diluted?? some links include the possibility that a comet triggered the volcano, wow that would be historic, right, has any other volcano activity been associated with a strike?
nd dont forget, that Easter originated by the pagan celebration of painting eggs because the Goddess Ishtar fell down from heaven in a giant egg and landed in the river Euphrates.
Furthermore, the word "easter" doesn't appear in the Bible (well, not in the context you might expect).
Well since the early church was attempting to "christianize" pagan Roman festivals, it makes sense that Easter celebrations wouldn't be mentioned in the Bible.
Of course, the fact that such things are missing from the New Testament, (along with the non-mention of the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD and scripture quotations from 2nd century Church leaders) provides key evidence that the Gospel texts date to within the lifetimes of those that are claimed to have written it.
Which is precisely where Marc's pagan/astrological theories start to take a swift beating.
Well since the early church was attempting to "christianize" pagan Roman festivals, it makes sense that Easter celebrations wouldn't be mentioned in the Bible.
Of course, the fact that such things are missing from the New Testament, (along with the non-mention of the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD and scripture quotations from 2nd century Church leaders) provides key evidence that the Gospel texts date to within the lifetimes of those that are claimed to have written it.
Which is precisely where Marc's pagan/astrological theories start to take a swift beating.
Frank, why would the Church need to christianize the pagan Roman Festivals? If the Cunt Jesus really resurrected as you would claim, wouldn't the date of this be of upmost importance to the early Christians? Wouldn't the resurrection, if it really happened, be worthy of its own celebration on its own date? - Instead of stealing a pagan (ie evil) springtime celebration calculated by the phase of the moon in relation to one of the four points of equinox/solstice, and pinching the name of this celebration from a Pagan Goddess whos followers gave eachother gifts of painted eggs. - Unless of course, the Cunt Jesus personifys the same astrological events as did the Goddess Ishtar. Namely the Cunt Jesus is a Satanic imposter of the pagan Solar Festivals.
Why are we calculating the Christian festival of Easter by phases of the moon and the zodaic, and giving out gifts of eggs like the pagans did over 2000 years ago? - because there is no substance to the story of the Cunt Jesus' resurrection at all and the powers that be had to pillage the whole story from the people they went on to persecute as evil. If nothing else, it shows just how short of imagination these perverts were in not being able to even concoct their own little fantasy world.
Frank, why are the Gospel writers attributed to the four signs that make up the four points of the zodiac? Why would Mark be attributed to the Lion? (Leo). Why out of hundreds of Gospels were only four chosen, if not to give a nod to the astrology of cross symbolism that founded the philosophy?
And FYI the fall of Jerusalem is clearly outlined in Mark, so he wouldn't have wrote it before 70AD, (even the conservative of Scholars dont attribute it earlier than this - so I wonder what planet you are from) so why did it take 40 years for Mark to give a brief account of the Cunt Jesus had he been real? Bishop Marcion would be turning in his grave! Would you be in a position to make an honest account of the Vietnam war, if there was no TV, no newspapers, no radio, and all your information came from the relatives of servicemen by word of mouth 40 years after the event?
Frank, why would the Church need to christianize the pagan Roman Festivals? If the ...<snip>
Sounds like you have some real venom for the C of E, markUK. Doesn't mean you should be a complete cornhole to Frank, regardless of your personal anti-religious issues.
It's always interesting when someone is so unsure of his own point of view, he feels he has to insult the other side whilst questioning it.
where is this so called personal insult? Please quote it for me. Or is this some distraction for not being able to answer any of my questions? Come on Frank, I thought you were giving me a spanking. Has the Cunt Jesus let you down again?
Since you're so determined to insult the leader of my faith, I'll let Him answer your questions.
Good luck with that.
While I sit here awaiting your imaginary friend to SMS me, i thought I address the issue of what Jesus represents.
Jesus represents stealing a rich culture and turning it into one of depravity.
Jesus represents stealing the philosophy of mankind and claiming it as his own
Jesus represents the enslavement of mankind.
Jesus represents torture and barbarism
Jesus represents narrowminded rigid thinking.
Jesus represents the power control systems of authority
Jesus represents lies and deceit
Jesus represents stubborn arrogant non-thinking.
Infact, Jesus has come to represent everything that Satan is supposed to represent. So Jesus and Satan are infact the same thing.
So, if Jesus was real, the fact that he came, and the world has had to endure 2000 years of murder, lies and torture in his name, - and he would know all this in advance, makes him a far bigger Cunt than Hitler and Stalin combined
or If Jesus was not real, then his followers have made his personality into the worst Cunt mankind has ever had to endure.
At least with Hitler, Stalin and all the other baddies, we had to only endure their agenda of Evil for a few decades. the Cunt Jesus goes far better than that - having reigned a veil of evil over the world for nearly 2000 years, and certainly for some time to come in the future.
While I sit here awaiting your imaginary friend to SMS me, i thought I address the issue of what Jesus represents.
Jesus represents stealing a rich culture and turning it into one of depravity.
Jesus represents stealing the philosophy of mankind and claiming it as his own
Jesus represents the enslavement of mankind.
Jesus represents torture and barbarism
Jesus represents narrowminded rigid thinking.
Jesus represents the power control systems of authority
Jesus represents lies and deceit
Jesus represents stubborn arrogant non-thinking.
Infact, Jesus has come to represent everything that Satan is supposed to represent. So Jesus and Satan are infact the same thing.
So, if Jesus was real, the fact that he came, and the world has had to endure 2000 years of murder, lies and torture in his name, - and he would know all this in advance, makes him a far bigger Cunt than Hitler and Stalin combined
or If Jesus was not real, then his followers have made his personality into the worst Cunt mankind has ever had to endure.
At least with Hitler, Stalin and all the other baddies, we had to only endure their agenda of Evil for a few decades. the Cunt Jesus goes far better than that - having reigned a veil of evil over the world for nearly 2000 years, and certainly for some time to come in the future.
If God essentially gave us a certain amount of freedom...what would be wrong with that?
One mistake that you tend to make MarcUK, is that you hold up 'evil' as an abstract principle -- it's not -- evil is a moral separation from God. And, as a very wise man once said, 'God is no Buttercup.'
If God essentially gave us a certain amount of freedom...what would be wrong with that?
One mistake that you tend to make MarcUK, is that you hold up 'evil' as an abstract principle -- it's not -- evil is a moral separation from God. And, as a very wise man once said, 'God is no Buttercup.'
as im still awaiting subliminal SMS as to why Christians would rather celebrate the pagan festival of the goddess Ishtar, rather than the actual date of when their leader died and resurrected - is it because no one knows? or cares? No one bothered to write down when the most important person in human history died - and no-one wrote it down when he came back to life?
Lots of questions for the Cunt Jesus. BTW, Im sure followers of Jesus the Christ, wont be too upset about my terminology of Cunt Jesus - Cunt Jesus is the leader of the Evangelical Fundamentalism and in no way related to Jesus the Christ - except philosophically as his opposite. So we have JC and his opposite CJ.
Anyway dmz, for all my fluid liberal thinking, I have never been able to get my head around, and cant even think of a 'beautiful' truth regarding this thing known as the trinity. Father Son HolySpirit. I just cant contemplate what the specialness of this deal is all about. Maybe you could explain?
Ps. I see the Pope has described the US fundie movement as scoring void in philosophy - which considering the Bible is a philosophy - was probably a coded message to say that Creationists dont know shit.
as im still awaiting subliminal SMS as to why Christians would rather celebrate the pagan festival of the goddess Ishtar, rather than the actual date of when their leader died and resurrected - is it because no one knows? or cares? No one bothered to write down when the most important person in human history died - and no-one wrote it down when he came back to life?
Lots of questions for the Cunt Jesus. BTW, Im sure followers of Jesus the Christ, wont be too upset about my terminology of Cunt Jesus - Cunt Jesus is the leader of the Evangelical Fundamentalism and in no way related to Jesus the Christ - except philosophically as his opposite. So we have JC and his opposite CJ.
Anyway dmz, for all my fluid liberal thinking, I have never been able to get my head around, and cant even think of a 'beautiful' truth regarding this thing known as the trinity. Father Son HolySpirit. I just cant contemplate what the specialness of this deal is all about. Maybe you could explain?
Ps. I see the Pope has described the US fundie movement as scoring void in philosophy - which considering the Bible is a philosophy - was probably a coded message to say that Creationists dont know shit.
I think the holiday thing is easy, the Church calendar is year-long, you can subscribe to it in Apple's 'Christian Holidays' in iCal.
It was simply a way to assert itself over/replace a huge set of pagan holidays -- probably different in every town. The same way Alexander Hamilton tied the American colonies together with fiat money.
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"Exodus Decoded"?
I linked to that a bit earlier in the thread, if you want more information frank777.
there was another history channel discussion of the plagues and the first born died because by custom they ate first (i guess when the family is hungary or starved and it was a mold or fungus on the limited grain that the first born ate that killed them, they ate first died first. does history channel part of itunes so i could download this , it's a facinating theory.
Thousands of years of oral history and linguistic gymnastics performed during translations have the wonderful effect of changing the intent of the original statement, and imbue odd, yet explainable occurances with a storyteller's romantic or theological world view.
(edited for clarity)
I agree, with Frank777. SpamSandwich, do you mind explaining your comment for those of that don't live in your head?
Sounds like Spam's talking about oral formulaic theory.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...28/ai_n6361835
i found it--and gives reference to the tv shows/ books/ articles
http://www.adam.com.au/bstett/BTenPlaguesEgypt78.htm
here is the volcano explanation of the plagues
http://www.grahamphillips.net/Books/act_new.htm
i'm still looking for better discription of the co2 cloud and as far as the angel of death "passing over" if co2 if would "pass under" the jews, but interesting thoughts. i need to do more research
please provide detailed links
also if a co2 cloud had to travel 500 miles would it be diluted?? some links include the possibility that a comet triggered the volcano, wow that would be historic, right, has any other volcano activity been associated with a strike?
nd dont forget, that Easter originated by the pagan celebration of painting eggs because the Goddess Ishtar fell down from heaven in a giant egg and landed in the river Euphrates.
Furthermore, the word "easter" doesn't appear in the Bible (well, not in the context you might expect).
Of course, the fact that such things are missing from the New Testament, (along with the non-mention of the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD and scripture quotations from 2nd century Church leaders) provides key evidence that the Gospel texts date to within the lifetimes of those that are claimed to have written it.
Which is precisely where Marc's pagan/astrological theories start to take a swift beating.
Furthermore, the word "easter" doesn't appear in the Bible (well, not in the context you might expect).
Neither does the word Pesach (passover) in the old testament.
Well since the early church was attempting to "christianize" pagan Roman festivals, it makes sense that Easter celebrations wouldn't be mentioned in the Bible.
Of course, the fact that such things are missing from the New Testament, (along with the non-mention of the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD and scripture quotations from 2nd century Church leaders) provides key evidence that the Gospel texts date to within the lifetimes of those that are claimed to have written it.
Which is precisely where Marc's pagan/astrological theories start to take a swift beating.
Frank, why would the Church need to christianize the pagan Roman Festivals? If the Cunt Jesus really resurrected as you would claim, wouldn't the date of this be of upmost importance to the early Christians? Wouldn't the resurrection, if it really happened, be worthy of its own celebration on its own date? - Instead of stealing a pagan (ie evil) springtime celebration calculated by the phase of the moon in relation to one of the four points of equinox/solstice, and pinching the name of this celebration from a Pagan Goddess whos followers gave eachother gifts of painted eggs. - Unless of course, the Cunt Jesus personifys the same astrological events as did the Goddess Ishtar. Namely the Cunt Jesus is a Satanic imposter of the pagan Solar Festivals.
Why are we calculating the Christian festival of Easter by phases of the moon and the zodaic, and giving out gifts of eggs like the pagans did over 2000 years ago? - because there is no substance to the story of the Cunt Jesus' resurrection at all and the powers that be had to pillage the whole story from the people they went on to persecute as evil. If nothing else, it shows just how short of imagination these perverts were in not being able to even concoct their own little fantasy world.
Frank, why are the Gospel writers attributed to the four signs that make up the four points of the zodiac? Why would Mark be attributed to the Lion? (Leo). Why out of hundreds of Gospels were only four chosen, if not to give a nod to the astrology of cross symbolism that founded the philosophy?
And FYI the fall of Jerusalem is clearly outlined in Mark, so he wouldn't have wrote it before 70AD, (even the conservative of Scholars dont attribute it earlier than this - so I wonder what planet you are from) so why did it take 40 years for Mark to give a brief account of the Cunt Jesus had he been real? Bishop Marcion would be turning in his grave! Would you be in a position to make an honest account of the Vietnam war, if there was no TV, no newspapers, no radio, and all your information came from the relatives of servicemen by word of mouth 40 years after the event?
Frank, why would the Church need to christianize the pagan Roman Festivals? If the ...<snip>
Sounds like you have some real venom for the C of E, markUK. Doesn't mean you should be a complete cornhole to Frank, regardless of your personal anti-religious issues.
It's always interesting when someone is so unsure of his own point of view, he feels he has to insult the other side whilst questioning it.
where is this so called personal insult? Please quote it for me. Or is this some distraction for not being able to answer any of my questions? Come on Frank, I thought you were giving me a spanking. Has the Cunt Jesus let you down again?
Good luck with that.
Has the Cunt Jesus let you down again?
You lose! Thanks for playing!
Since you're so determined to insult the leader of my faith, I'll let Him answer your questions.
Good luck with that.
While I sit here awaiting your imaginary friend to SMS me, i thought I address the issue of what Jesus represents.
Jesus represents stealing a rich culture and turning it into one of depravity.
Jesus represents stealing the philosophy of mankind and claiming it as his own
Jesus represents the enslavement of mankind.
Jesus represents torture and barbarism
Jesus represents narrowminded rigid thinking.
Jesus represents the power control systems of authority
Jesus represents lies and deceit
Jesus represents stubborn arrogant non-thinking.
Infact, Jesus has come to represent everything that Satan is supposed to represent. So Jesus and Satan are infact the same thing.
So, if Jesus was real, the fact that he came, and the world has had to endure 2000 years of murder, lies and torture in his name, - and he would know all this in advance, makes him a far bigger Cunt than Hitler and Stalin combined
or If Jesus was not real, then his followers have made his personality into the worst Cunt mankind has ever had to endure.
At least with Hitler, Stalin and all the other baddies, we had to only endure their agenda of Evil for a few decades. the Cunt Jesus goes far better than that - having reigned a veil of evil over the world for nearly 2000 years, and certainly for some time to come in the future.
While I sit here awaiting your imaginary friend to SMS me, i thought I address the issue of what Jesus represents.
Jesus represents stealing a rich culture and turning it into one of depravity.
Jesus represents stealing the philosophy of mankind and claiming it as his own
Jesus represents the enslavement of mankind.
Jesus represents torture and barbarism
Jesus represents narrowminded rigid thinking.
Jesus represents the power control systems of authority
Jesus represents lies and deceit
Jesus represents stubborn arrogant non-thinking.
Infact, Jesus has come to represent everything that Satan is supposed to represent. So Jesus and Satan are infact the same thing.
So, if Jesus was real, the fact that he came, and the world has had to endure 2000 years of murder, lies and torture in his name, - and he would know all this in advance, makes him a far bigger Cunt than Hitler and Stalin combined
or If Jesus was not real, then his followers have made his personality into the worst Cunt mankind has ever had to endure.
At least with Hitler, Stalin and all the other baddies, we had to only endure their agenda of Evil for a few decades. the Cunt Jesus goes far better than that - having reigned a veil of evil over the world for nearly 2000 years, and certainly for some time to come in the future.
If God essentially gave us a certain amount of freedom...what would be wrong with that?
One mistake that you tend to make MarcUK, is that you hold up 'evil' as an abstract principle -- it's not -- evil is a moral separation from God. And, as a very wise man once said, 'God is no Buttercup.'
If God essentially gave us a certain amount of freedom...what would be wrong with that?
One mistake that you tend to make MarcUK, is that you hold up 'evil' as an abstract principle -- it's not -- evil is a moral separation from God. And, as a very wise man once said, 'God is no Buttercup.'
as im still awaiting subliminal SMS as to why Christians would rather celebrate the pagan festival of the goddess Ishtar, rather than the actual date of when their leader died and resurrected - is it because no one knows? or cares? No one bothered to write down when the most important person in human history died - and no-one wrote it down when he came back to life?
Lots of questions for the Cunt Jesus. BTW, Im sure followers of Jesus the Christ, wont be too upset about my terminology of Cunt Jesus - Cunt Jesus is the leader of the Evangelical Fundamentalism and in no way related to Jesus the Christ - except philosophically as his opposite. So we have JC and his opposite CJ.
Anyway dmz, for all my fluid liberal thinking, I have never been able to get my head around, and cant even think of a 'beautiful' truth regarding this thing known as the trinity. Father Son HolySpirit. I just cant contemplate what the specialness of this deal is all about. Maybe you could explain?
Ps. I see the Pope has described the US fundie movement as scoring void in philosophy - which considering the Bible is a philosophy - was probably a coded message to say that Creationists dont know shit.
as im still awaiting subliminal SMS as to why Christians would rather celebrate the pagan festival of the goddess Ishtar, rather than the actual date of when their leader died and resurrected - is it because no one knows? or cares? No one bothered to write down when the most important person in human history died - and no-one wrote it down when he came back to life?
Lots of questions for the Cunt Jesus. BTW, Im sure followers of Jesus the Christ, wont be too upset about my terminology of Cunt Jesus - Cunt Jesus is the leader of the Evangelical Fundamentalism and in no way related to Jesus the Christ - except philosophically as his opposite. So we have JC and his opposite CJ.
Anyway dmz, for all my fluid liberal thinking, I have never been able to get my head around, and cant even think of a 'beautiful' truth regarding this thing known as the trinity. Father Son HolySpirit. I just cant contemplate what the specialness of this deal is all about. Maybe you could explain?
Ps. I see the Pope has described the US fundie movement as scoring void in philosophy - which considering the Bible is a philosophy - was probably a coded message to say that Creationists dont know shit.
I think the holiday thing is easy, the Church calendar is year-long, you can subscribe to it in Apple's 'Christian Holidays' in iCal.
It was simply a way to assert itself over/replace a huge set of pagan holidays -- probably different in every town. The same way Alexander Hamilton tied the American colonies together with fiat money.
Embrace (sort of), extend, and extinguish.