So, has anyone -here- tried this OF hack on a new iBook yet? I'd rather see some written confirmation from a poster im familiar with.. After all, I don't fancy having an 1800 dollar paper weight. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
<strong>So, has anyone -here- tried this OF hack on a new iBook yet? I'd rather see some written confirmation from a poster im familiar with.. After all, I don't fancy having an 1800 dollar paper weight. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
i am not well known, however i tried it and it worked great for me .. no problems yet.
<strong>So, has anyone -here- tried this OF hack on a new iBook yet? I'd rather see some written confirmation from a poster im familiar with.. After all, I don't fancy having an 1800 dollar paper weight. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
That's what these most recent posts are all about. It works on the NEW 800 Mhz iBook. Some of the posters bought one already. It was first confirmed at the ArsTechnica site at the above link by a man from New York City who had the courage to try it Friday evening.
Thank you. That's why I said what I said.</strong><hr></blockquote>
NO NO NO NO NO! The hack only works on the current iBook's video card. The older iBooks have a completely different card which is why trying to hack the older iBooks will kill them Because you're trying to hack the wrong video card. The NEW books have the same card brand as the new iMac's. (Which is why you can also hack the new iMacs.. which I will do when I get the chance.. and someone tells me how.)
It is safe. As long as the card is correct. Think of it this way. If it has the old 16MB card, DO NOT ATTEMPT. If it has the new 32. Try it.
NO NO NO NO NO! The hack only works on the current iBook's video card. The older iBooks have a completely different card which is why trying to hack the older iBooks will kill them Because you're trying to hack the wrong video card. The NEW books have the same card brand as the new iMac's. (Which is why you can also hack the new iMacs.. which I will do when I get the chance.. and someone tells me how.)
It is safe. As long as the card is correct. Think of it this way. If it has the old 16MB card, DO NOT ATTEMPT. If it has the new 32. Try it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Huh? The hack works with the 16MB cards and apparently it works with the 32MB ones also. It doesn't work with the 8MB Rage 128 cards in the 500MHz and early 600MHz iBooks.
And no the iBooks don't have the same card as the iMacs.
NO NO NO NO NO! The hack only works on the current iBook's video card. The older iBooks have a completely different card which is why trying to hack the older iBooks will kill them Because you're trying to hack the wrong video card. The NEW books have the same card brand as the new iMac's. (Which is why you can also hack the new iMacs.. which I will do when I get the chance.. and someone tells me how.)
It is safe. As long as the card is correct. Think of it this way. If it has the old 16MB card, DO NOT ATTEMPT. If it has the new 32. Try it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Jasoco hasn't done his research. Ignore that post. The hack is for ALL iBooks with 16MB video and up. Not for 8MB iBooks. So it includes all the new ones plus the old 700 MHz 16MB model. It works just fine with the old 16 MB video. Drives external CRTs @ 1600x1200 with only 16MB of video ram. The above newcomer Junior Member doesn't know what he is writing about.
Plus the hack WILL NOT WORK WITH ANY iMacs. In the first place (not that it matters because it doesn't) iMacs have Nvidea GeForce 2MX video. iBooks have ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 video. But that doesn't matter. If Jasoco trys the hack on his iMac he may be reporting that he hosed it. It is NOT for iMacs. Period.
Jasoco should delete his post as soon as he reads this to avoid further embarassment.
Ok so what?s the performance hit with this hack? I am buying the 800 ibook this week, you guys have convinced me to go with the 12". Ok So this is something I will want to do, yet I am curious how the system will behave? Also do I get options to change the resolution on the external monitor or is that stuck at 1024x768 also? Some have said that it will drive external displays up to 1600x1200, ok. I don?t see this mentioned on that hack website that is linked above, is there something else I will have to do additionally?
And not to get off topic but do you guys go for the apple care plan?
It's hard to say what resolutions and refresh rates you'll be able to run. Modern monitors are plug and play, but the implementation tends to be uneven, so as I have moved from OS to OS I've found certain modes popping in or dropping out randomly. I can say, for the benefit of all who are unclear, that the iBook spanning hack enables all resolutions on the second monitor that the Radeon chip would normally support under OS X, barring any funny stuff from your monitor. As far as I know, that's 1920x1440@75Hz... Might be 2048x1536. The Apple site doesn't officially list the Radeon 7500's specs under the iBook, and I don't feel like checking for back issues on the Powerbooks.
I don't know about performance, not hard numbers, but what matters is that you can turn spanning off. Just click on "Turn on mirroring" in the Monitor menulet, and you'll drop to 1024x768 mirroring at full performance for whatever you want to do at high performance, then you can switch back when you're done and need more space. Also, you automatically switch to full-performance mirroring for games and other full-screen apps. That's a part of the normal OS X spanning code that people who haven't used spanning before don' know about.
The important thing to remember is that the hack doesn't force you into anything. It isn't a software patch to turn a specific resolution on permanently. It just enables all the delightfully user-friendly monitor features that Apple included with the high-end hardware.
<strong>Ok so what?s the performance hit with this hack? I am buying the 800 ibook this week, you guys have convinced me to go with the 12". Ok So this is something I will want to do, yet I am curious how the system will behave? Also do I get options to change the resolution on the external monitor or is that stuck at 1024x768 also? Some have said that it will drive external displays up to 1600x1200, ok. I don?t see this mentioned on that hack website that is linked above, is there something else I will have to do additionally?
And not to get off topic but do you guys go for the apple care plan?
Once you complete the hack and hook your external monitor:
1) Open the Displays System Preference Pane
2) You will get panes appearing on both monitors
3) You get independent resolution adjustment choices depending on the capacity of each display.
4) You will also have an "Arrangement" Tab in the middle of your primary diplay which will begin with the iBook but which you can change to the external monitor by dragging the menu bar on the "Arrangement" Panel from the image of your small iBook screen to the larger external screen's image.
5) If you have the "show display in menu" box checked, you will be able to change resolution, refresh rae and color depth on teh fly for both screens withou the display preference pane.
Is that all clear? Enjoy your new 800. Oh, performance hit. I would guess NONE. You will still have QE working on both screens.
Once you complete the hack and hook your external monitor:
-snip-
Oh, performance hit. I would guess NONE. You will still have QE working on both screens.</strong><hr></blockquote>
sorry to dispute without firsthand test data, but according to one source <@apple>, this hack will in fact _DISABLE QE_ (on both screens).
More screen real estate yes, full compositing refresh quartz extreme improvements seen in jaguar on agp2x 16m vram... factory state QE runs on 700 ibooks or better, post-hack NO QE.
there must be apps to speedtest the before and after gfx states... perhaps the early adopters will share QE video benchmarks pre & post hack?
There is an application, mentioned in the Quartz Extreme on PCI thread at Ars Technica, that tells you if Quartz Extreme is running. Anyone remember it?
sorry to dispute without firsthand test data, but according to one source <@apple>, this hack will in fact _DISABLE QE_ (on both screens).
More screen real estate yes, full compositing refresh quartz extreme improvements seen in jaguar on agp2x 16m vram... factory state QE runs on 700 ibooks or better, post-hack NO QE.
there must be apps to speedtest the before and after gfx states... perhaps the early adopters will share QE video benchmarks pre & post hack?</strong><hr></blockquote>
i've got the 800 ibook.. and running the spanning hack, qe seems to work fine .. the only complaint i might have (do have) is that i can't do the an overlay on the other monitor.. (that is, watch a dvd on the second monitor)
Ok so i am slowly working up the courage to do this hack.
i have a new 800mhz ibook and from the directions @ <a href="http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html"; target="_blank">www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html</a> there are a few things i am unsure about.
"after this patch Quartz Extreme will not be active while using two screens..."
Then you are given instructions on changing the value for GLCompositorMinimumVRAM in a Configuration.plist from 16 to 8
These instructions look to be written for the previous ibook with 16mb VRAM. Is there something else i will need to change for the 32mb Ibook? I am taking it as since there will be two 16mb monitors then i will meet the minimum? or am i wrong?
I have done it with success...new iBook 800MHz. QE IS SUPPORTED ON BOTH DISPLAYS w/o hacking further. Being that the iBook has 32MB, 16 MB is given to each display which is the min for QE.
<strong>well without these boards i wouldn't even know and now covet spanning, alot of people don't know this is possible with any laptop (sure the kids and the geeks do, but not parents and others near death...you know, anyone over thirty)</strong><hr></blockquote>
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<strong>According to this <a href="http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=8300945231&m=6750994835"; target="_blank">thread</a> at ARS, it works.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Whoopie!!!
<strong>So, has anyone -here- tried this OF hack on a new iBook yet? I'd rather see some written confirmation from a poster im familiar with.. After all, I don't fancy having an 1800 dollar paper weight. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
i am not well known, however i tried it and it worked great for me .. no problems yet.
*j*
<strong>So, has anyone -here- tried this OF hack on a new iBook yet? I'd rather see some written confirmation from a poster im familiar with.. After all, I don't fancy having an 1800 dollar paper weight. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
That's what these most recent posts are all about. It works on the NEW 800 Mhz iBook. Some of the posters bought one already. It was first confirmed at the ArsTechnica site at the above link by a man from New York City who had the courage to try it Friday evening.
Here's the link again in case you missed it:
<a href="http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=8300945231&m=6750994835"; target="_blank">http://arstechnica.infopop.net/OpenTopic/page?a=tpc&s=50009562&f=8300945231&m=6750994835</a>;
So don't be afraid. Take the plunge. Be happy you have one of the first 800 iBook Spanners.
<strong>
Thank you. That's why I said what I said.</strong><hr></blockquote>
NO NO NO NO NO! The hack only works on the current iBook's video card. The older iBooks have a completely different card which is why trying to hack the older iBooks will kill them Because you're trying to hack the wrong video card. The NEW books have the same card brand as the new iMac's. (Which is why you can also hack the new iMacs.. which I will do when I get the chance.. and someone tells me how.)
It is safe. As long as the card is correct. Think of it this way. If it has the old 16MB card, DO NOT ATTEMPT. If it has the new 32. Try it.
<strong>
NO NO NO NO NO! The hack only works on the current iBook's video card. The older iBooks have a completely different card which is why trying to hack the older iBooks will kill them Because you're trying to hack the wrong video card. The NEW books have the same card brand as the new iMac's. (Which is why you can also hack the new iMacs.. which I will do when I get the chance.. and someone tells me how.)
It is safe. As long as the card is correct. Think of it this way. If it has the old 16MB card, DO NOT ATTEMPT. If it has the new 32. Try it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Huh? The hack works with the 16MB cards and apparently it works with the 32MB ones also. It doesn't work with the 8MB Rage 128 cards in the 500MHz and early 600MHz iBooks.
And no the iBooks don't have the same card as the iMacs.
<strong>
NO NO NO NO NO! The hack only works on the current iBook's video card. The older iBooks have a completely different card which is why trying to hack the older iBooks will kill them Because you're trying to hack the wrong video card. The NEW books have the same card brand as the new iMac's. (Which is why you can also hack the new iMacs.. which I will do when I get the chance.. and someone tells me how.)
It is safe. As long as the card is correct. Think of it this way. If it has the old 16MB card, DO NOT ATTEMPT. If it has the new 32. Try it.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Jasoco hasn't done his research. Ignore that post. The hack is for ALL iBooks with 16MB video and up. Not for 8MB iBooks. So it includes all the new ones plus the old 700 MHz 16MB model. It works just fine with the old 16 MB video. Drives external CRTs @ 1600x1200 with only 16MB of video ram. The above newcomer Junior Member doesn't know what he is writing about.
Plus the hack WILL NOT WORK WITH ANY iMacs. In the first place (not that it matters because it doesn't) iMacs have Nvidea GeForce 2MX video. iBooks have ATI Mobility Radeon 7500 video. But that doesn't matter. If Jasoco trys the hack on his iMac he may be reporting that he hosed it. It is NOT for iMacs. Period.
Jasoco should delete his post as soon as he reads this to avoid further embarassment.
[ 11-12-2002: Message edited by: Multimedia ]</p>
And not to get off topic but do you guys go for the apple care plan?
[ 11-13-2002: Message edited by: greeneggsaregood ]</p>
It's hard to say what resolutions and refresh rates you'll be able to run. Modern monitors are plug and play, but the implementation tends to be uneven, so as I have moved from OS to OS I've found certain modes popping in or dropping out randomly. I can say, for the benefit of all who are unclear, that the iBook spanning hack enables all resolutions on the second monitor that the Radeon chip would normally support under OS X, barring any funny stuff from your monitor. As far as I know, that's 1920x1440@75Hz... Might be 2048x1536. The Apple site doesn't officially list the Radeon 7500's specs under the iBook, and I don't feel like checking for back issues on the Powerbooks.
I don't know about performance, not hard numbers, but what matters is that you can turn spanning off. Just click on "Turn on mirroring" in the Monitor menulet, and you'll drop to 1024x768 mirroring at full performance for whatever you want to do at high performance, then you can switch back when you're done and need more space. Also, you automatically switch to full-performance mirroring for games and other full-screen apps. That's a part of the normal OS X spanning code that people who haven't used spanning before don' know about.
The important thing to remember is that the hack doesn't force you into anything. It isn't a software patch to turn a specific resolution on permanently. It just enables all the delightfully user-friendly monitor features that Apple included with the high-end hardware.
<strong>Ok so what?s the performance hit with this hack? I am buying the 800 ibook this week, you guys have convinced me to go with the 12". Ok So this is something I will want to do, yet I am curious how the system will behave? Also do I get options to change the resolution on the external monitor or is that stuck at 1024x768 also? Some have said that it will drive external displays up to 1600x1200, ok. I don?t see this mentioned on that hack website that is linked above, is there something else I will have to do additionally?
And not to get off topic but do you guys go for the apple care plan?
[ 11-13-2002: Message edited by: greeneggsaregood ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Once you complete the hack and hook your external monitor:
1) Open the Displays System Preference Pane
2) You will get panes appearing on both monitors
3) You get independent resolution adjustment choices depending on the capacity of each display.
4) You will also have an "Arrangement" Tab in the middle of your primary diplay which will begin with the iBook but which you can change to the external monitor by dragging the menu bar on the "Arrangement" Panel from the image of your small iBook screen to the larger external screen's image.
5) If you have the "show display in menu" box checked, you will be able to change resolution, refresh rae and color depth on teh fly for both screens withou the display preference pane.
Is that all clear? Enjoy your new 800. Oh, performance hit. I would guess NONE. You will still have QE working on both screens.
<strong>
Once you complete the hack and hook your external monitor:
-snip-
Oh, performance hit. I would guess NONE. You will still have QE working on both screens.</strong><hr></blockquote>
sorry to dispute without firsthand test data, but according to one source <@apple>, this hack will in fact _DISABLE QE_ (on both screens).
More screen real estate yes, full compositing refresh quartz extreme improvements seen in jaguar on agp2x 16m vram... factory state QE runs on 700 ibooks or better, post-hack NO QE.
there must be apps to speedtest the before and after gfx states... perhaps the early adopters will share QE video benchmarks pre & post hack?
<strong>
sorry to dispute without firsthand test data, but according to one source <@apple>, this hack will in fact _DISABLE QE_ (on both screens).
More screen real estate yes, full compositing refresh quartz extreme improvements seen in jaguar on agp2x 16m vram... factory state QE runs on 700 ibooks or better, post-hack NO QE.
there must be apps to speedtest the before and after gfx states... perhaps the early adopters will share QE video benchmarks pre & post hack?</strong><hr></blockquote>
i've got the 800 ibook.. and running the spanning hack, qe seems to work fine .. the only complaint i might have (do have) is that i can't do the an overlay on the other monitor.. (that is, watch a dvd on the second monitor)
i have a new 800mhz ibook and from the directions @ <a href="http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html"; target="_blank">www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html</a> there are a few things i am unsure about.
"after this patch Quartz Extreme will not be active while using two screens..."
Then you are given instructions on changing the value for GLCompositorMinimumVRAM in a Configuration.plist from 16 to 8
These instructions look to be written for the previous ibook with 16mb VRAM. Is there something else i will need to change for the 32mb Ibook? I am taking it as since there will be two 16mb monitors then i will meet the minimum? or am i wrong?
Thanks in advance
Here are a few pictures:
<a href="http://homepage.mac.com/thinkdifferent1984/iBook/"; target="_blank">http://homepage.mac.com/thinkdifferent1984/iBook/</a>;
Just follow the instructions and you'll do fine
a little extra vram goes a long way
<strong>well without these boards i wouldn't even know and now covet spanning, alot of people don't know this is possible with any laptop (sure the kids and the geeks do, but not parents and others near death...you know, anyone over thirty)</strong><hr></blockquote>
Or anyone between 16 and 21.....