Powerbooks, DVD-R or RW ???

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in Current Mac Hardware edited January 2014
We know the desktop DVD burning macs come with DVD-RW units but Apple has yet to make software that uses the RW function, so they sell them as R. But since these laptop units are different, I'd liek to know if they're R or RW units in the PB ???

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  • Reply 1 of 17
    nebrienebrie Posts: 483member
    According to the MacNN forums, they're R units but the disk swap trick for the Powermacs works for the Powerbooks too.
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  • Reply 2 of 17
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    But if so, they must be RW units.



    If one uses something like Roxio for their burning duties, will the drive be recognized as an RW unit by the software? Both desktops and Ti's? Anyone know?
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  • Reply 3 of 17
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Uh, Apple's Finder Disc Burner software does burn DVD-RW with no problems. Stop spewing misinformation. It's only iDVD that requires the swap trick.



    If the drive writes DVD-RW...it's a DVD-RW capable drive. As easy as that.



    [ 11-09-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
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  • Reply 4 of 17
    alcimedesalcimedes Posts: 5,486member
    wait a second, you're telling me that the Apple DVD burners can burn/reburn DVD-RW discs?
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  • Reply 5 of 17
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Throughout Apple's web page they refer to the superdrive options on the iMac, Powerbook, and even the PowerMac as DVD-R/CD-RW. They never mention the DVD-RW capability of the drives on the Powermac and iMac, we know about it because we know which drive they use (pioneer) and that it also supports DVD-RW, but I don't see anywhere where Apple official advertises or supports this function. Since we don't know exactly which model drive is in the new TiBooks, I don't think we can be certain that it supports DVD-RW, that is, both writes and rewrites them. If Apple so officially supports DVD-RW, why have people resorted to tricks in order to get the iMac to write an RW DVD disc?
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  • Reply 6 of 17
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    They've been able to burn DVD-RW ever since their 2001 introduction. I've burned and reburned numerous DVD-RWs. My Sharp DVD player will play DVD-RWs as well.



    Also, Disc Burner will only burn Mac DVDs. Toast will only officially burn HFS+ DVDs, but if you choose "Mac OS Extended and PC (Hybrid) CD" instead of "DVD" you can actually burn a hybrid DVD...
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  • Reply 7 of 17
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by Matsu:

    <strong>Throughout Apple's web page they refer to the superdrive options on the iMac, Powerbook, and even the PowerMac as DVD-R/CD-RW. They never mention the DVD-RW capability of the drives on the Powermac and iMac, we know about it because we know which drive they use (pioneer) and that it also supports DVD-RW, but I don't see anywhere where Apple official advertises or supports this function. Since we don't know exactly which model drive is in the new TiBooks, I don't think we can be certain that it supports DVD-RW, that is, both writes and rewrites them. If Apple so officially supports DVD-RW, why have people resorted to tricks in order to get the iMac to write an RW DVD disc?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You said "Apple has yet to make software that uses the RW function." That's wrong. Disc Burner works with no tricks. &lt;font size="100000"&gt;&lt;blink&gt;I JUST TOLD YOU THAT. ONLY iDVD REQUIRES THE SWAP TRICK.&lt;/blink&gt;&lt;/font&gt;



    Also, open up Disk Utility and click on the "Erase" tab. What do you see?



    [quote]? Erasing an optical disc (CD-RW, DVD-RW, etc.) will result in a blank optical disc. No format is applied to an erased optical disc.<hr></blockquote>



    That's basically official support right there.
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  • Reply 8 of 17
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    OK, see, you're losing me. What does this have to do with the DVD-RW function? Though I think it's a good point, becuase PC compatibility is a major concern for me. So explain please.



    Which Apple software lets you write and re-write a DVD disc? And what is the best solution for burning cross platform data discs (CD and DVD) as well as Audio cd and DVD-video?
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  • Reply 9 of 17
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by Matsu:

    <strong>Which Apple software lets you write and re-write a DVD disc?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    T H E

    B U I L T - I N

    F I N D E R

    D I S C

    B U R N E R

    S O F T W A R E



    HELLO? Is this thing on?



    I thought the hybrid stuff was relevant because that too is a trick...though it's Toast trick.



    Toast will burn hybrid DVDs with the trick above. Toast burns audio and hybrid CDs. Toast does not author DVD-Video on its own.



    [ 11-09-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>
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  • Reply 10 of 17
    icruiseicruise Posts: 127member
    It's a little unclear why apple doesn't refer to them as DVD-RW drives. The main thing you have to remember is that iDVD doesn't burn to DVD-RW without resorting to a swap. I've also had some funkiness occur with DVD-RWs I have burned but it was probably just the fault of the media itself (cheap).
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  • Reply 11 of 17
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    Sorry, got lost in the postage cross fire, I get it now. Thanx, actually quite helpful amidst your impatient rambling you can sometimes be!
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  • Reply 12 of 17
    matsumatsu Posts: 6,558member
    This just leaves the question of whether the drive in the new powerbooks is a DVDrw drive or simply a DVD-R drive. Anyone have one to play with yet?
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  • Reply 13 of 17
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    Finder, Disk Copy for burning.

    Disk Utility for erasing.

    iDVD with the disc swapping trick. You have to wait a long time for the last track to close, but it works.
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  • Reply 14 of 17
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    [quote]Originally posted by Eugene:

    <strong>...Toast does not author DVD-Video on its own...



    [ 11-09-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Perhaps i misunderstood what you were talking about and i read it out of context but toast burns DVD-Video...or i assumed by that you meant that it can burn DVD's that can have video on them and be viewed in a dvd player, if not then sorry, but i assume thats what you meant and it can
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  • Reply 15 of 17
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by ast3r3x:

    <strong>



    Perhaps i misunderstood what you were talking about and i read it out of context but toast burns DVD-Video...or i assumed by that you meant that it can burn DVD's that can have video on them and be viewed in a dvd player, if not then sorry, but i assume thats what you meant and it can</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I'm having trouble deciphering your post. What the heck are you talking about? Toast cannot author DVDs. I suppose you could drag a "VIDEO_TS" folder onto toast and burn that, but I'm not sure that works. I'll try it.
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  • Reply 16 of 17
    In a few weeks I'll soon be in possession of a superdrive powerbook. This discussion of the iDVD "swap trick" has left me a bit in the dark...will someone knowledgeable about such things please inform me what this trick is, how it is accomplished, and why it is necessary? thank you.
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  • Reply 17 of 17
    eugeneeugene Posts: 8,254member
    [quote]Originally posted by Bierkonig:

    <strong>In a few weeks I'll soon be in possession of a superdrive powerbook. This discussion of the iDVD "swap trick" has left me a bit in the dark...will someone knowledgeable about such things please inform me what this trick is, how it is accomplished, and why it is necessary? thank you.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Every SuperDrive shipped in Power Mac and iMac desktops has support for DVD-RW writing and rewriting. iDVD only wants you to burn DVD-Rs, and it will recognize if you pyt a DVD-RW in there instead. However, you can still burn the DVD-RW by fooling iDVD. You click the burn button, insert a DVD-R, wait for it to be recognized and start encoding rendering the movie. While it's rendering, eject the disc and swap in a DVD-RW. Once the movie is done being encoded, it will burn to the DVD-RW without thinking twice.



    P.S. There have been recent reports of iMacs and Power Macs shipping with non Pioneer drives...with different specs of all things. If any of you own one can you report any differences?
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