That depends, if they said 1.0" thin, they would be incorrect. It is not forbidden to simply round to one significant digit.
See, if you bought plywood, and they were offered in two different specifications, one 1" thick, the other 2" thick, could you complain if the first turned out to be 1.08" thick.
Calling the MacBook 1" thin is a bit disingenuous, but it is not incorrect, and does not constitute lying.
Like mgkwho, I too saw the reference to the MacBook as 1" thin. Actually, I could have sworn that it was posted on the Macbook main page as "one inch thin" and subsequent checking out the Tech Specs, it was listed as 1.0" under Height and 2.59 cm.
However, since then, the only reference that shows such a measurement is either the MacBook Pro or this MacInsider editorial which states, "At just one-inch thin, the new MacBooks…" right at the beginning of this article.
Re, "See, if you bought plywood, and they were offered in two different specifications, one 1" thick, the other 2" thick, could you complain if the first turned out to be 1.08" thick." However, if the plywood measured out at 1.019" it would not be wrong to say that it was 1.0" inches thick.
As for you comment that calling the MacBook 1" thin is a bit disingenuous," this whole discussion started because of inference that Apple was lying and was perpetrated further by criticizing the use of terms 'thin' vs thick. But having said that, I would be hard pressed to tell my aunt that she was being disingenuous when she says that she is 180 lbs light or my gran who say she is 85 years young. In both cases, I would be absolutely wrong. Even though the two old biddies are outright lying.
Generally speaking, if you can foot the bill for the MacBook Pro, do it. You certainly get what you pay for, if not more. The integrated graphics aren't really that bad unless you are playing the latest action games. Mac OS X uses a lot of GPU power to do the screen drawing, so if Apple is willing to ship a product with integrated graphics, it means that integrated graphics are adequate for drawing all the graphics in the mac GUI and for apps like iPhoto. Probably also fine for Civ 4, although I've never played Civ 4 so I can't say.
Until today, the MBP was a better deal since for $2k you'd get 15.4" screen, more RAM, 2-layer DVD-R, bigger HD, sweet graphics board. The MacBook Core Duo would cost ~$1500 for the same basic specs minus the screen and the graphics board and the Core 2 (although I don't think there was a 2-layer DVD-R even available) Now, you can get a MacBook with all the same stuff as the $2000 MBP, aside from screen and graphics, for $1300.
Thanks for the advice - I'm leaning toward the MB I think.
Considering the new MacBooks arrival, I have decided to take the leap into the Apple world. My friend works at the Apple store which means I gain a 25% discount off the RRP. Is this a good deal? Can you get a new Apple elsewhere for a cheaper price....? Sorry to disturb this forum however I received no responses in the general discussion forum. Cheers J
Considering the new MacBooks arrival, I have decided to take the leap into the Apple world. My friend works at the Apple store which means I gain a 25% discount off the RRP. Is this a good deal? Can you get a new Apple elsewhere for a cheaper price....? Sorry to disturb this forum however I received no responses in the general discussion forum. Cheers J
You're generally not going to find Apple hardware on sale anywhere. Some places throw in bundles (printer, software, etc.) but Apple's pretty strict on how stores price their machines. The only real discounts are for education (teachers/staff/students), businesses and employees.
Just have your friend buy the machine for you and pay 'em. Cheapest way you're going to get a new Mac.
Considering the new MacBooks arrival, I have decided to take the leap into the Apple world. My friend works at the Apple store which means I gain a 25% discount off the RRP. Is this a good deal? Can you get a new Apple elsewhere for a cheaper price....? Sorry to disturb this forum however I received no responses in the general discussion forum. Cheers J
Yeah seems like a really good deal to me. Your friend gonna hook me up with the discount too or what?8)
Considering the new MacBooks arrival, I have decided to take the leap into the Apple world. My friend works at the Apple store which means I gain a 25% discount off the RRP. Is this a good deal? Can you get a new Apple elsewhere for a cheaper price....? Sorry to disturb this forum however I received no responses in the general discussion forum. Cheers J
My bro works at an Apple store, and is going to give me the same excellent 25% discount you speak of. Love the Apple store! Can't wait to get my hands on this new MacBook. My 1st Mac evar thanks to his emphatic remarks about OS X.
That depends, if they said 1.0" thin, they would be incorrect. It is not forbidden to simply round to one significant digit.
See, if you bought plywood, and they were offered in two different specifications, one 1" thick, the other 2" thick, could you complain if the first turned out to be 1.08" thick.
Calling the MacBook 1" thin is a bit disingenuous, but it is not incorrect, and does not constitute lying.
Plywood is a bad example.
As a woodworker, I can say that I would be really pissed if it turned out to be 1.08" thick.
Our cutting tools rely on a stable thickness. Either a router bit is 3/4" or 1". There are metric sizes, for which finally, a couple of years, ago we have gotten metric bits for.
Why anyone should care if a computer is 1" or 1.08" is beyond me, though.
Thanks Kesh! Greatly appreciated... As for Kezelk4, I live in Japan. I don't suppose you live in Japan... I also have another question which will seem a little dumb. I don't understand the whole Hardrive 80GB and 1gb Memory thing. What is the difference? Where is the memory stored? How will my computer see a difference from 1gb to 2gb and 80gb to 120gb? Will it slow down? Thanks in advance...
On your computer, there are two main components (there are others but let's not worry about that) that have memory: the RAM annd the hard drive.
RAM (random access memory) is what the computer uses for thinking: when you open an application, it is stored and run in RAM, along with your operation system. This is usually a fairly small number (512MB, 1GB, 2GB). The more RAM you have, the more room things have for working in, to a point, and yes, that will help things work faster, depending on what you do. If you plan to use big apps and or have several things going at one time, it might be good to have quite a bit of RAM, but it can get very expensive real quick. For simple tasks, 512 is probably enough. 1GB works great for most people (some of the geeks here on AI often have more, but we are geeks).
The hard disk is where you store all your stuff. If you have a lot of stuff, you need a larger disk. Files from word-processing and stff like that don't usually take up a lot of space. Photos take up a bit, and video eats space for lunch. However, there is a balance and trade-off in disk size, heat and battery power. Bigger disks store more, but eat more battery power and create more heat.
In short, the 2.0 white machine ($1299) looks like a real deal, unless you liike black and want to give Apple 200 bucks for the privilege.
difference between white and black is only $50. Definitely a good move. If I were in the market for a new notebook I would definitely get the black now. When it was $150 just for the black, I never would have.
Thanks heaps everyone... you have been a great help. I think I have decided on the 2.0GHZ White one. You can always upgrade later, right? However, I will just be doing university word documents so the need shouldn't arise unless I become an Apple adict (I'm actually scared of this real possibility). I don't know why but every 'switcher' (PC --> Mac) I talk to seems to never get off the machine. Once again, the help is really appreciated. I'm ready to hit that Nagoya Apple store and act like I know what I'm talking about! "I want the 1gb, 2.0GHZ, 80gb white baby please"
Don't know how long you've been here in Japan nor how long you plan on staying, but you might want to use your new Mac to put together some treats for the folks back home (unless they are all with you here): a homepage, photo albums, a movie or two or even a full DVD. Get a good camera and take photos wherever you go. They are a big hit back home.
The MacBook comes with demo versions of iWork (Pages: Apple's wordprocessor, and Keynote: a presentaton app) and Microsoft Office. iWork will likely do you fine and will work just like all your other Apple apps (it is linked to iLife apps) and will not cost you much. You have to buy one or the other or you won't have a word-processor to use for all of those earth-shattering essays you'll be writing from now on.
Search the old threads on AI for some ideas on apps for college students, as this has been discussed before.
I noticed on the future hardware forum that Apple will release it's LEOPARD in Jan 2007. I will be leaving Japan on January 26, 2007. I don't NEED the laptop which means I can wait. Is there any chance that LEOPARD will be available by that time? Would it be worthwhile waiting until 07 to purchase a laptop which has LEOPARD instead of TIGER?
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That depends, if they said 1.0" thin, they would be incorrect. It is not forbidden to simply round to one significant digit.
See, if you bought plywood, and they were offered in two different specifications, one 1" thick, the other 2" thick, could you complain if the first turned out to be 1.08" thick.
Calling the MacBook 1" thin is a bit disingenuous, but it is not incorrect, and does not constitute lying.
Like mgkwho, I too saw the reference to the MacBook as 1" thin. Actually, I could have sworn that it was posted on the Macbook main page as "one inch thin" and subsequent checking out the Tech Specs, it was listed as 1.0" under Height and 2.59 cm.
However, since then, the only reference that shows such a measurement is either the MacBook Pro or this MacInsider editorial which states, "At just one-inch thin, the new MacBooks…" right at the beginning of this article.
Re, "See, if you bought plywood, and they were offered in two different specifications, one 1" thick, the other 2" thick, could you complain if the first turned out to be 1.08" thick." However, if the plywood measured out at 1.019" it would not be wrong to say that it was 1.0" inches thick.
As for you comment that calling the MacBook 1" thin is a bit disingenuous," this whole discussion started because of inference that Apple was lying and was perpetrated further by criticizing the use of terms 'thin' vs thick. But having said that, I would be hard pressed to tell my aunt that she was being disingenuous when she says that she is 180 lbs light or my gran who say she is 85 years young. In both cases, I would be absolutely wrong. Even though the two old biddies are outright lying.
Does that mean the weekly monday night rumors of "new shit tomorrow" will stop, or will they now happen twice a week?
Calling the MacBook 1" thin is a bit disingenuous, but it is not incorrect, and does not constitute lying.
You have not understood correctly the sentence of mine that you quoted.
I was saying that I thought the contention that 'Apple state that the MacBook is 1" thin' is erroneous. I believe that they don't.
Generally speaking, if you can foot the bill for the MacBook Pro, do it. You certainly get what you pay for, if not more. The integrated graphics aren't really that bad unless you are playing the latest action games. Mac OS X uses a lot of GPU power to do the screen drawing, so if Apple is willing to ship a product with integrated graphics, it means that integrated graphics are adequate for drawing all the graphics in the mac GUI and for apps like iPhoto. Probably also fine for Civ 4, although I've never played Civ 4 so I can't say.
Until today, the MBP was a better deal since for $2k you'd get 15.4" screen, more RAM, 2-layer DVD-R, bigger HD, sweet graphics board. The MacBook Core Duo would cost ~$1500 for the same basic specs minus the screen and the graphics board and the Core 2 (although I don't think there was a 2-layer DVD-R even available) Now, you can get a MacBook with all the same stuff as the $2000 MBP, aside from screen and graphics, for $1300.
Thanks for the advice - I'm leaning toward the MB I think.
Too bad its still integrated graphics card though..
Geez, the intentions certainly were not to make this thread into a cry fest.
I'd apologize if I did anything wrong.
Considering the new MacBooks arrival, I have decided to take the leap into the Apple world. My friend works at the Apple store which means I gain a 25% discount off the RRP. Is this a good deal? Can you get a new Apple elsewhere for a cheaper price....? Sorry to disturb this forum however I received no responses in the general discussion forum. Cheers
You're generally not going to find Apple hardware on sale anywhere. Some places throw in bundles (printer, software, etc.) but Apple's pretty strict on how stores price their machines. The only real discounts are for education (teachers/staff/students), businesses and employees.
Just have your friend buy the machine for you and pay 'em. Cheapest way you're going to get a new Mac.
13 inch white 2.0 GHz stock, ADD...
1GB more RAM* = GBP£120 (US$229) at current exchange rates.
40GB extra HDD storage space** = GBP£100 (US$190) at current exchange rates.
*2X 1GB SO-DIMMS in place of 2X 512MB SO-DIMMS
**120GB Serial ATA (5400rpm) drive in place of 80GB Serial ATA (5400rpm) drive
Seems a bit pricey.
Remember, these unit upgrades are 'in place of' standard stock spec and not a 'replacement' unit.
Considering the new MacBooks arrival, I have decided to take the leap into the Apple world. My friend works at the Apple store which means I gain a 25% discount off the RRP. Is this a good deal? Can you get a new Apple elsewhere for a cheaper price....? Sorry to disturb this forum however I received no responses in the general discussion forum. Cheers
Yeah seems like a really good deal to me. Your friend gonna hook me up with the discount too or what?8)
Considering the new MacBooks arrival, I have decided to take the leap into the Apple world. My friend works at the Apple store which means I gain a 25% discount off the RRP. Is this a good deal? Can you get a new Apple elsewhere for a cheaper price....? Sorry to disturb this forum however I received no responses in the general discussion forum. Cheers
My bro works at an Apple store, and is going to give me the same excellent 25% discount you speak of. Love the Apple store! Can't wait to get my hands on this new MacBook. My 1st Mac evar
That depends, if they said 1.0" thin, they would be incorrect. It is not forbidden to simply round to one significant digit.
See, if you bought plywood, and they were offered in two different specifications, one 1" thick, the other 2" thick, could you complain if the first turned out to be 1.08" thick.
Calling the MacBook 1" thin is a bit disingenuous, but it is not incorrect, and does not constitute lying.
Plywood is a bad example.
As a woodworker, I can say that I would be really pissed if it turned out to be 1.08" thick.
Our cutting tools rely on a stable thickness. Either a router bit is 3/4" or 1". There are metric sizes, for which finally, a couple of years, ago we have gotten metric bits for.
Why anyone should care if a computer is 1" or 1.08" is beyond me, though.
RAM (random access memory) is what the computer uses for thinking: when you open an application, it is stored and run in RAM, along with your operation system. This is usually a fairly small number (512MB, 1GB, 2GB). The more RAM you have, the more room things have for working in, to a point, and yes, that will help things work faster, depending on what you do. If you plan to use big apps and or have several things going at one time, it might be good to have quite a bit of RAM, but it can get very expensive real quick. For simple tasks, 512 is probably enough. 1GB works great for most people (some of the geeks here on AI often have more, but we are geeks).
The hard disk is where you store all your stuff. If you have a lot of stuff, you need a larger disk. Files from word-processing and stff like that don't usually take up a lot of space. Photos take up a bit, and video eats space for lunch. However, there is a balance and trade-off in disk size, heat and battery power. Bigger disks store more, but eat more battery power and create more heat.
In short, the 2.0 white machine ($1299) looks like a real deal, unless you liike black and want to give Apple 200 bucks for the privilege.
By the way, welcome to AI, and Japan!
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...D&nclm=MacBook
1299 and 1499, but the black does have a larger HD
Don't know how long you've been here in Japan nor how long you plan on staying, but you might want to use your new Mac to put together some treats for the folks back home (unless they are all with you here): a homepage, photo albums, a movie or two or even a full DVD. Get a good camera and take photos wherever you go. They are a big hit back home.
The MacBook comes with demo versions of iWork (Pages: Apple's wordprocessor, and Keynote: a presentaton app) and Microsoft Office. iWork will likely do you fine and will work just like all your other Apple apps (it is linked to iLife apps) and will not cost you much. You have to buy one or the other or you won't have a word-processor to use for all of those earth-shattering essays you'll be writing from now on.
Search the old threads on AI for some ideas on apps for college students, as this has been discussed before.