I agree!! I joined the student ADC since 2000 and used the discount to buy the TiBook/400 in 2001. Although the discount for student ADC is just one per lifetime, I don't have any problem with this idea what-so-ever. Looking this guy attempted to fool Apple is naive. I believe that the 17" lapzilla is a wonderful problem from Apple and worth each penny for desktop replacement. Unluckily, you don't deserve it. Get an eMac, pal.
According to the price list that I just downloaded from my school, Western Michigan University, lapzilla is $2,999 and the 12" PB is $1,499. Dang I need 15 hundred bucks.
Oh no, I'm going to go to jail for 7-10! I forgot about the "Becoming a student developer and then trying to order from Apple's own developer-discounted store and admitting to possibly needing to add a more developer-related class to my transcript because I'm taking stuff that they would probably call liberal arts" fraud law!
I just don't want to have any more trouble trying to prove to them that I should receive a discount. In your opinion I may not be such a developer as you are (yet you call me arrogant), but I feel that I am enough of a developer, I do serious web development and some AS development for OS X. I also have learned quite a lot about interface design thanks to ADC, which I put to some level of good use, whenever I have any free time.. I certainly am more deserving of a discount than most people are who don't get their order audited and receive the discount without being either a student, or a developer, they just got "the info" off of eBay. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" /> I've had my online ADC membership for years now, and I just finally got around to picking up my student membership, so excuse me for trying to use the discount which they advertise as me being able to use. I clearly misunderstood that when they say "one lifetime discount" they really literally only mean one product, without any add-ons whatsoever.
As far as being greedy, excuse me, I'm currently on an iMac that's over four years old, so yeah, I am looking for a decent machine and a good array of accessories. With the discount I was able to get all of those accessories for the price of what I was going to pay for the machine itself, so I thought that was a pretty good setup, at least I wasn't shorting Apple on revenue coming in.
In case you missed it, the order was cancelled anyhow, so I'm waiting a bit before I order again. Might as well see how the income taxes turn out.
<strong>Oh no, I'm going to go to jail for 7-10! I forgot about the "Becoming a student developer and then trying to order from Apple's own developer-discounted store and admitting to possibly needing to add a more developer-related class to my transcript because I'm taking stuff that they would probably call liberal arts" fraud law!
I just don't want to have any more trouble trying to prove to them that I should receive a discount. In your opinion I may not be such a developer as you are (yet you call me arrogant), but I feel that I am enough of a developer, I do serious web development and some AS development for OS X. I also have learned quite a lot about interface design thanks to ADC, which I put to some level of good use, whenever I have any free time.. I certainly am more deserving of a discount than most people are who don't get their order audited and receive the discount without being either a student, or a developer, they just got "the info" off of eBay. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" /> I've had my online ADC membership for years now, and I just finally got around to picking up my student membership, so excuse me for trying to use the discount which they advertise as me being able to use. I clearly misunderstood that when they say "one lifetime discount" they really literally only mean one product, without any add-ons whatsoever.
As far as being greedy, excuse me, I'm currently on an iMac that's over four years old, so yeah, I am looking for a decent machine and a good array of accessories. With the discount I was able to get all of those accessories for the price of what I was going to pay for the machine itself, so I thought that was a pretty good setup, at least I wasn't shorting Apple on revenue coming in.
In case you missed it, the order was cancelled anyhow, so I'm waiting a bit before I order again. Might as well see how the income taxes turn out.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Blah! Blah! Blah!.... Still think your full of BS, naive, arrogant, greedy, and surely don't deserve a discount.
And yes, I can read and didn't miss that your order was cancelled, and that your planning on waiting a little while so you'll have time to doctor up your transcripts. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
Maybe you should get a job or two and then you'll be able to afford a real computer. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Oh and by the way, you might not get 7-10 like my example. She defrauded many people from all over the world for nearly 1 million dollars and sent hundreds of refund checks that bounced to anxiously awaiting customers. You'd probably just get what ever Apple decides to do with you... that is if you could acutally get away with it. Doubt it Brad!!
Some of you guys take things way to seriously. Apple does say on their site that an ADC student membership includes one life time hardware purchase. I think it would be quite alright to go ahead and order based on that. If apple then later says you have to be in Developer related classes you can just say that that wasn't clear on their site. Which it isn't.
<strong>Some of you guys take things way to seriously. Apple does say on their site that an ADC student membership includes one life time hardware purchase. I think it would be quite alright to go ahead and order based on that. If apple then later says you have to be in Developer related classes you can just say that that wasn't clear on their site. Which it isn't.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But, it does clearly say that you need to be enrolled in development classes to qualify for the discount.
Brad: It doesn't matter if you're a developer or if you do web development or whatever... you are not a student developer in the way apple defines student developer. A student developer is one who is studying computer/software development in school. That's their definition and since they created the deal, you have to deal with it.
If you want to commit fraud (which is what the "Becoming a student developer and then trying to order from Apple's own developer-discounted store and admitting to possibly needing to add a more developer-related class to my transcript because I'm taking stuff that they would probably call liberal arts" crime you referred to is generally called) you are liable to get into lots of trouble... not just with Apple, but with your academic institution (which I'm sure doesn't take kindly to having it's transcript falsified.)
So go ahead, but as I said before, the discount is not meant for you. That isn't meant to be arrogant... it's meant to be a fact.
[ 01-27-2003: Message edited by: The Former Lurker ]</p>
<strong>Blah! Blah! Blah!.... Still think your full of BS, naive, arrogant, greedy, and surely don't deserve a discount. </strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm sorry--and I sincerely do apologize for any misunderstanding--I didn't mean to give the wrong impression with my previous posts, and I think that I did. I actually don't care what you think. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
[quote]Originally posted by jkarc21:
<strong>Oh and by the way, you might not get 7-10 like my example. She defrauded many people from all over the world for nearly 1 million dollars and sent hundreds of refund checks that bounced to anxiously awaiting customers. You'd probably just get what ever Apple decides to do with you... that is if you could acutally get away with it. Doubt it Brad!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Again, I think there was some miscommunication here--I'm not worried at all about getting jailtime for attempting to take advantage of a discount like this. I was being sarcastic. Not really worred about my academic institution, either.. it's not exactly the most highly-regarded in its industry.
In the end it won't really matter what any of you think, and despite the hostile replies in this thread, I think I am perfectly qualified for the discount, as advertised to me originally, not to mention deserving, and due to odd circumstances I am prepared to save hundreds of dollars by stretching the truth a little bit if Apple asks for some sort of verification that I'm not a Mac reseller trying to grab the discounts and sell the machines at inflated prices on eBay and scam people or something. I won't feel bad at all when I get my PowerBook, but I know there will be those who are jealous, so it's fitting that I get prepared for that now.
<strong>They just emailed me to say that I had used the discount on too many items, I only get one lifetime discount out of my student membership, and if I didn't upgrade my membership within 3 days my order would be cancelled.
I guess after I cancel it I'll have to reorder it, and then get the accessories (if I really need them, anyway) later on. I'm kind of glad, I realized with the help of a few friends with PowerBooks that it would be a very good idea to invest in AppleCare on a first-generation laptop model like this. Three-month warranties on $3300 computers suck.
Poop.
They are also asking me to fax in my transcripts and photo i.d. (not sure if this means my college i.d., or what), damn it. I'm going to have to falsify a transcript showing some developer-related classes, now. At least with the order cancelled, I can put it off a bit while I work on that. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Well, you will be kicked out of school for that, because they will find out (they will verify transcripts faxed to them), there is a considerable fine (much more than you saved by ripping off Apple), and possible jail time. Enjoy.
You should take the advice of all who've posted in this thread who believe your wasting your time and will ultimately be caught!! Maybe that's what you want. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
Brad they are just a bunch of liberals, ignore them. But if I were you I wouldn't fake transcripts. Apple most likely won't ask for them from you, but if they do just explain to them your situation. They might even let you go through anyway. They are not going to arrest you for misunderstanding their site. Some of the people on this board seem to believe in the outright justice of the law. I can tell you that the law is whatever you can afford it to be. And if brad is smart with the way he handles this nothing will happen. Just try again and if they call up asking for transripts just play dumb. I bet a lot of people have ordered from their ADC site not knowing that they had to meet all Apple's requirements. It took me forever to figure out that I would not be able to use the Student ADC program. Unless you spend at least an hour researching on the ADC site it is not clear what you need to sign up.
IN MOST PLACES THEY ONLY SAY YOU HAVE TO BE A STUDENT!!!!! JUST EXPLAIN THAT YOU ARE A STUDENT AND YOU ARE INTERESTED IN COMPUTER DEVELOPMENT, SO YOU SIGNED UP!!!!!!! Gosh some of you guys must be candy asses. sorry..
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[edit: My mistake ... no three year warranty]
[ 01-21-2003: Message edited by: Scott ]</p>
I just don't want to have any more trouble trying to prove to them that I should receive a discount. In your opinion I may not be such a developer as you are (yet you call me arrogant), but I feel that I am enough of a developer, I do serious web development and some AS development for OS X. I also have learned quite a lot about interface design thanks to ADC, which I put to some level of good use, whenever I have any free time.. I certainly am more deserving of a discount than most people are who don't get their order audited and receive the discount without being either a student, or a developer, they just got "the info" off of eBay. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" /> I've had my online ADC membership for years now, and I just finally got around to picking up my student membership, so excuse me for trying to use the discount which they advertise as me being able to use. I clearly misunderstood that when they say "one lifetime discount" they really literally only mean one product, without any add-ons whatsoever.
As far as being greedy, excuse me, I'm currently on an iMac that's over four years old, so yeah, I am looking for a decent machine and a good array of accessories. With the discount I was able to get all of those accessories for the price of what I was going to pay for the machine itself, so I thought that was a pretty good setup, at least I wasn't shorting Apple on revenue coming in.
In case you missed it, the order was cancelled anyhow, so I'm waiting a bit before I order again. Might as well see how the income taxes turn out.
<strong>Oh no, I'm going to go to jail for 7-10! I forgot about the "Becoming a student developer and then trying to order from Apple's own developer-discounted store and admitting to possibly needing to add a more developer-related class to my transcript because I'm taking stuff that they would probably call liberal arts" fraud law!
I just don't want to have any more trouble trying to prove to them that I should receive a discount. In your opinion I may not be such a developer as you are (yet you call me arrogant), but I feel that I am enough of a developer, I do serious web development and some AS development for OS X. I also have learned quite a lot about interface design thanks to ADC, which I put to some level of good use, whenever I have any free time.. I certainly am more deserving of a discount than most people are who don't get their order audited and receive the discount without being either a student, or a developer, they just got "the info" off of eBay. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" /> I've had my online ADC membership for years now, and I just finally got around to picking up my student membership, so excuse me for trying to use the discount which they advertise as me being able to use. I clearly misunderstood that when they say "one lifetime discount" they really literally only mean one product, without any add-ons whatsoever.
As far as being greedy, excuse me, I'm currently on an iMac that's over four years old, so yeah, I am looking for a decent machine and a good array of accessories. With the discount I was able to get all of those accessories for the price of what I was going to pay for the machine itself, so I thought that was a pretty good setup, at least I wasn't shorting Apple on revenue coming in.
In case you missed it, the order was cancelled anyhow, so I'm waiting a bit before I order again. Might as well see how the income taxes turn out.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Blah! Blah! Blah!.... Still think your full of BS, naive, arrogant, greedy, and surely don't deserve a discount.
And yes, I can read and didn't miss that your order was cancelled, and that your planning on waiting a little while so you'll have time to doctor up your transcripts. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
Maybe you should get a job or two and then you'll be able to afford a real computer. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Oh and by the way, you might not get 7-10 like my example. She defrauded many people from all over the world for nearly 1 million dollars and sent hundreds of refund checks that bounced to anxiously awaiting customers. You'd probably just get what ever Apple decides to do with you... that is if you could acutally get away with it. Doubt it Brad!!
<strong>Some of you guys take things way to seriously. Apple does say on their site that an ADC student membership includes one life time hardware purchase. I think it would be quite alright to go ahead and order based on that. If apple then later says you have to be in Developer related classes you can just say that that wasn't clear on their site. Which it isn't.</strong><hr></blockquote>
But, it does clearly say that you need to be enrolled in development classes to qualify for the discount.
Brad: It doesn't matter if you're a developer or if you do web development or whatever... you are not a student developer in the way apple defines student developer. A student developer is one who is studying computer/software development in school. That's their definition and since they created the deal, you have to deal with it.
If you want to commit fraud (which is what the "Becoming a student developer and then trying to order from Apple's own developer-discounted store and admitting to possibly needing to add a more developer-related class to my transcript because I'm taking stuff that they would probably call liberal arts" crime you referred to is generally called) you are liable to get into lots of trouble... not just with Apple, but with your academic institution (which I'm sure doesn't take kindly to having it's transcript falsified.)
So go ahead, but as I said before, the discount is not meant for you. That isn't meant to be arrogant... it's meant to be a fact.
[ 01-27-2003: Message edited by: The Former Lurker ]</p>
<strong>Blah! Blah! Blah!.... Still think your full of BS, naive, arrogant, greedy, and surely don't deserve a discount.
I'm sorry--and I sincerely do apologize for any misunderstanding--I didn't mean to give the wrong impression with my previous posts, and I think that I did. I actually don't care what you think. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
[quote]Originally posted by jkarc21:
<strong>Oh and by the way, you might not get 7-10 like my example. She defrauded many people from all over the world for nearly 1 million dollars and sent hundreds of refund checks that bounced to anxiously awaiting customers. You'd probably just get what ever Apple decides to do with you... that is if you could acutally get away with it. Doubt it Brad!!</strong><hr></blockquote>
Again, I think there was some miscommunication here--I'm not worried at all about getting jailtime for attempting to take advantage of a discount like this. I was being sarcastic. Not really worred about my academic institution, either.. it's not exactly the most highly-regarded in its industry.
In the end it won't really matter what any of you think, and despite the hostile replies in this thread, I think I am perfectly qualified for the discount, as advertised to me originally, not to mention deserving, and due to odd circumstances I am prepared to save hundreds of dollars by stretching the truth a little bit if Apple asks for some sort of verification that I'm not a Mac reseller trying to grab the discounts and sell the machines at inflated prices on eBay and scam people or something. I won't feel bad at all when I get my PowerBook, but I know there will be those who are jealous, so it's fitting that I get prepared for that now.
Fast
$1,199.00
1GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache
256MB DDR266 SDRAM
60GB Ultra ATA/100
Combo drive
NVIDIA GeForce4 MX
64MB DDR video memory
FireWire 800
56K internal modem
Bluetooth Ready
Faster
$1,599.00
Dual 1.25GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache/processor
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA/100
Combo Drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
64MB DDR video memory
FireWire 800
56K internal modem
Bluetooth Ready
Fastest
$2,159.00
Dual 1.42GHz PowerPC G4
2MB L3 cache/processor
512MB DDR333 SDRAM
120GB Ultra ATA/100
SuperDrive (DVD-R/CD-RW)
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
64MB DDR video memory
FireWire 800
56K internal modem
Bluetooth Ready
Ultimate
$3,039.00
Dual 1.42GHz PowerPC G4
2MB L3 cache/processor
2.0GB DDR333 SDRAM
120GB Ultra ATA/100
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium
128MB DDR video memory
FireWire 800
56K internal modem
Bluetooth Included
Wow, to have 2GB of DDR RAM. Insane.
so, there are rarely any surprises
<strong>They just emailed me to say that I had used the discount on too many items, I only get one lifetime discount out of my student membership, and if I didn't upgrade my membership within 3 days my order would be cancelled.
I guess after I cancel it I'll have to reorder it, and then get the accessories (if I really need them, anyway) later on. I'm kind of glad, I realized with the help of a few friends with PowerBooks that it would be a very good idea to invest in AppleCare on a first-generation laptop model like this. Three-month warranties on $3300 computers suck.
Poop.
They are also asking me to fax in my transcripts and photo i.d. (not sure if this means my college i.d., or what), damn it. I'm going to have to falsify a transcript showing some developer-related classes, now. At least with the order cancelled, I can put it off a bit while I work on that.
Well, you will be kicked out of school for that, because they will find out (they will verify transcripts faxed to them), there is a considerable fine (much more than you saved by ripping off Apple), and possible jail time. Enjoy.
<strong>Yeah, back on topic.. looks at these prices for the new G4s:
Ultimate
$3,039.00
Dual 1.42GHz PowerPC G4
2MB L3 cache/processor
2.0GB DDR333 SDRAM
120GB Ultra ATA/100
SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce4 Titanium
128MB DDR video memory
FireWire 800
56K internal modem
Bluetooth Included
Wow, to have 2GB of DDR RAM. Insane.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Brad! Quit dreaming <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
You should take the advice of all who've posted in this thread who believe your wasting your time and will ultimately be caught!! Maybe that's what you want. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
IN MOST PLACES THEY ONLY SAY YOU HAVE TO BE A STUDENT!!!!! JUST EXPLAIN THAT YOU ARE A STUDENT AND YOU ARE INTERESTED IN COMPUTER DEVELOPMENT, SO YOU SIGNED UP!!!!!!! Gosh some of you guys must be candy asses. sorry..