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Metriacanthosaurus said:

Great computer.

My only complaint is the high starting price. This is meant to be a modular and upgradeable system (and it is). But the baseline is too expensive. They should have tried for a $2999 entry level price so that more customers could get in on the ground floor, and upgrade it themselves over the next 10 years or so.

The pricing on this machine is absolutely fine for what it includes and the market it hits. I just wish they had sought to make the same machine just a little more accessible to another class of pros.

tenthousandthings said:

KidGloves said:

Looks amazing though I would like to see how the likely crippled $5999 version compares to similar PC workstations. I can't help thinking that the Apple Tax is back with a bang. The stuff looks like it's fantastically engineered (probably over the top for 90%). Anyone want to guess how much RAM the $5999 version will ship with?
We're talking a base version that's DOUBLE the price of the current base. That's a big jump in anyone's book.

An HP Z4 with the last-generation (=Skylake) 8 Core Xeon-W (i.e., W-2145) with 1000W chassis, 2x10Gb Ethernet, 32 GB (4x8) of RAM, 256 GB NVMe SSD, and AMD Radeon Pro WX 7100 with 8 GB is $6965.

So that thinking is wrong. 

lkrupp said:

mtbnut said:

Wait, after all the doom and gloom prognostications by all the pundit "power users" who have been yelling loudly through their social media channels, one would think no one would order the "terrible" new MacBook Pro with Touch Bar. 

Or are they all a bunch of dead canaries in a coal mine? 

Tech bloggers and “power” users will never learn. They just can’t accept the fact that they are the fringe cases, the outliers, not representative of the Mac universe in general. I think a tech writer nailed it this morning. If Apple had just left off the “Pro” moniker these new machines would be fine with that arrogant crowd.

They're kind of stuck. Every year their user base grows and profits grow, and yet costs grow right along with it.  They actually lose more money each and every year.  How is that going to change on a dime by next year?  My guess is they will lose even more money next year!!!  I think this investor is just wishful thinking in hopes of getting their money back! 

sog35 said:

WestCoaster said:

I have been using Macs professionally for twenty years—and like many, feel the divide between Apple and its professional users has become intolerable. Specially given the price point Apple is asking for these new models. 

I have been embarrassingly close to being a "fan boy" for Apple... and I want nothing more than continue what has been a great relationship. But, for me personally, I just don't know if that is possible any more. That really upsets me to even say, but that goes to show the connection people have had with Apple. It has been/is, a relationship, unlike the Win-box ilk.

People end marriages for a lot less! Watch out, Apple (tongue in cheek).

I need another coffee...

you need to realize Apple is a mass market company.

They sell to MASSIVE MARKETS not niche markets like in the past.

The Macbook Pro is designed for a large chunk of the laptop population. You probably are not part of this segment. Seems like you are in the small niche power user segment. sorry.

sog35 said:

lord amhran said:

Apple has never gotten services right and this is another prime example. Whether it's Cue's doing or not I think something major needs to happen at Apple for them take services seriously.

Well it starts from the top. The very top.

All companies goes in stages.

Stage 1 - innovation - Steve Jobs
Stage 2 - growth and expansion - Tim Cook
Stage 3. - monetization of user base - ????

IMO, Tim Cook is not a services guy.  Most people working at Apple are not.  That's why I want a new CEO at Apple. A CEO with a strong background in services. Cue should be out. Apple needs to hire CEO level guys for advertising, social, artificial intellegence, and iCloud.  The hardware division and iOS is doing great. The entire services executives need to be fired and replaced.

techprod1gy said:

To all of the blow hards that are bent out of shape because you can't upgrade the SSD give me a break. The only reason you want it removable is so you don't have to pay Apple's price for higher amounts of storage. For 99.9% of users this is a non-issue.