danvm

elijahg said:

loopless said:

It is NOT BS.  Unified memory is a huge advantage.

I have a 16GB 14" M1 MacBook Pro, and a  Dell 32GB Windows 11 Core I7 laptop. Both with SSD's.  I use them for software development.
The Windows 11 machine is bumping up against its memory limits (at which point the performance tanks)  earlier than I have problems with the MacBook when doing a similar set of tasks. For example, using QT Creator and Visual Code, then building large code bases and with lots of other apps open at the same time. 

And lets not talk about the various "blue screens" that still seem to plague Windows.
I looked at upgrading the Dell's memory  but it has CAMM memory that costs $1000 to upgrade - so don't be complaining about Apples prices!

Windows is hideously inefficient with RAM. Doesn't excuse Apple from still only supplying 8GB as standard though. If you need a VM for example,  that will eat all of the 8GB straight up. 

I know that Windows and macOS works differently, but I never seen a test where it shows that Windows is "hideously inefficient with RAM". At least in my customers working with heavy loads, they had no issues at all with memory management in Windows.  But maybe you had a different experience.  

9secondkox2 said:

danvm said:

danox said:

Apple is hardly behind but they are on a different path and actually are able to execute on hardware and software Apple doesn't need Google the Tensor is 5 or 6 years behind Apple right now and Google is a long way from running AI locally on their feeble Tensor SOC'S and Samsung is (hopelessly) even further away and Microsoft isn't even in the mobile ball game right now, note Wall Street is clueless about this little detail in their AI Hype train.

AI on the edge is the pathway Apple is on, phoning home and having the end user wait is the path Google, Microsoft, Meta, Qualcomm and Samsung are on. Why? Their SOC'S/OS software are way behind Apple. 

What Apple does need to do/consider is leveraging the full benefit of Apple Silicon, the low power/wattage, speed, UMA memory combined with a OS optimized to the hardware just screams out, the M3 Studio Ultra with 256 gigs (coming at WWDC) or a Mac M3 Extreme (CarPlay wasn't all for nothing) Pro tower with 512 gigs just says welcome to the world of inference on the Mac. Apple is/has been working on software tools to support developers for long time.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/08/apple-explains-how-it-uses-machine-learning-across-ios-and-soon-macos/.  From 2020 before the current AI Hype

https://venturebeat.com/ai/apple-researchers-achieve-breakthroughs-in-multimodal-ai-as-company-ramps-up-investments/

https://daily.dev/blog/mm1-the-advanced-30b-parameters-multimodal-llm-from-apple

Apple has been consistent in their AI/ML on the edge pathway. Apple won't be using Google anymore for AI than they currently use Google maps.

I think that Apple have no option but AI on the edge.  They don't have the datacenters or infrastructure to run AI / LMM as MS, Google or Meta.  And MS is going for AI on the edge too, with the new processors + NPU from Intel, AMD and Qualcomm.  Looks like MS is the one with all bases covered, from edge to the cloud and AI services.  

You’re saying that Apple Music Apple, iMessage Apple, iCloud Apple, Siri Apple…. Doesn’t have the infrastructure or hasn’t been building the infrastructure to run AI? They’re already RUNNING AI. 

Also, Apple partners with a few to ensure the ship doesn’t leak. Microsoft surely doesn’t have some corner on the market. LOL

Apple has been supposedly working on a SIRI upgrade for a while now. Add generative capabilities to the new SIRI and it’s done. Apple may choose to follow the current trend of pay for more generations. But I sincerely hope they include it as an Apple differentiator. Bypass the Nick and dime crap. Do it or don’t. But I can see the pulling an iCloud plus thing. 

Also, M series has been ready for AI from launch. And they’re only adding more neural engines. It could be that we can on-device AI processing while the beggars get cloud crap. That would be something. 

Just so long as it’s not connected to that Gemini trash. 

From what I have seen, Apple has been focused with AI in the edge, not in the cloud.  And while they have data centers, are they ready for AI / LMM? If that's the case, why they are working with Google for Gemini?

MS is also going forward with AI PC's.  Looks like this year we'll see PC's with CPU + NPU from AMD, Intel and Qualcomm for on-device AI processing.  And they are one of the largest, if not the largest, customers of Nvidia AI GPU's, and also have their own AI processor.  

The GPU haves and have-nots. - The Verge
Microsoft is finally making custom chips — and they’re all about AI - The Verge

Looks like MS is covering all bases with their AI strategy and looks like it's working.  

rob53 said:

aatb said:

rob53 said:

And we’re congratulating the largest vendor of malware for what reason? 

Following the notification process correctly and helping MacOS be more secure?  

Vulnerability had to do with software Microsoft didn’t like so they tried to work around it. When they discovered how to attack it, one employee had the ethics to tell Apple about it. Microsoft doesn’t do anything that isn’t of value to them. They spent decades not patching their software because they felt there wasn’t an alternative. Now they have a good income stream from Mac users so they’re trying to keep it.

5 posts??

Did you read the security blog?  Because I didn't see anything about a MS software they didn't like.  And it wasn't one employee that told Apple, but the MSVR,
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/msrc/msvr?rtc=1
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/msrc/cvd?rtc=1

And I agree, Microsoft doesn’t do anything that isn’t of value to them.  Considering many of their customer use macOS, it will benefit to secure and protect them, which at the end helps to improve the security in business and enterprises that use the MS ecosystem.  It also help to improve Microsoft Defender for Endpoint, that has a macOS client.  

BTW, I have +1200 posts.  Is that good enough?

AppleZulu said:

22july2013 said:

Just one week ago, the New York Times launched a lawsuit against Microsoft over its AI's training which "reads" New York Times copyrighted materials in order to "train" its AI. If Apple uses copyrighted materials in its training, then Apple would also become the target of lawsuits.

If the lawsuit is successful, which I doubt, (since web crawling has always been legal or unchallenged) then to get quality AI we'll all have to switch to using AI developed by communist China. Of course, Chinese AI will know nothing about any information that is anti-China.

Apple has a long history of showing up to a tech party late, but having actually figured out how to use that given tech in some novel and indispensable way, even as Apple's competitors were "first" but made an obtuse mess of it. Giving Siri functionality like I described above would be a good example of how Apple might implement advanced machine learning with Siri, even as Microsoft's half-baked AI has been tossed out there to do mash-ups of plagiarized source material.

Apple wasn't late to the party.  They had Siri for +13 years, and still terrible.  Looks like they have no idea on how to improve it.  Now MS s ahead of Apple, have their datacenters ready for AI services and have been integrating AI in their apps and services with Copilot.  And what Apple has done?  If you ask me, Apple is the one with the half-backed AI, not MS.  We'll have to wait and see the announcements from Apple in WWDC and MS Build.  

elijahg said:

danvm said:

elijahg said:

loopless said:

It is NOT BS.  Unified memory is a huge advantage.

I have a 16GB 14" M1 MacBook Pro, and a  Dell 32GB Windows 11 Core I7 laptop. Both with SSD's.  I use them for software development.
The Windows 11 machine is bumping up against its memory limits (at which point the performance tanks)  earlier than I have problems with the MacBook when doing a similar set of tasks. For example, using QT Creator and Visual Code, then building large code bases and with lots of other apps open at the same time. 

And lets not talk about the various "blue screens" that still seem to plague Windows.
I looked at upgrading the Dell's memory  but it has CAMM memory that costs $1000 to upgrade - so don't be complaining about Apples prices!

Windows is hideously inefficient with RAM. Doesn't excuse Apple from still only supplying 8GB as standard though. If you need a VM for example,  that will eat all of the 8GB straight up. 

I know that Windows and macOS works differently, but I never seen a test where it shows that Windows is "hideously inefficient with RAM". At least in my customers working with heavy loads, they had no issues at all with memory management in Windows.  But maybe you had a different experience.  

Just anecdotal really - but running the same software for similar time doing a similar thing (Firefox for example), and Windows will have used much more RAM than macOS has. Similarly Windows is always doing something. Even when idle. My Intel MBP running Windows is always hot, same with my work laptop. But the same MBP running macOS at idle is cold. Massive amounts of energy wasted,

Windows has a service, SysMain, that analyze how you use the applications and use RAM as cache to speed up the system.  It's possible that the high RAM usage you see is for cache and not Windows being inefficient.  

In my experience with my Windows devices, there are problems if CPU usage is high while idle.  In normal circumstances, it should be close to 0% of CPU usage.  That's my experience with my Windows devices, and even with my customers. You should check if there are issues with an application or Windows missing an update. 

danox said:

danvm said:

9secondkox2 said:

It’s hilarious. Apple has Ben at the forefront of ai for a long time already. 

Being a platform, it makes more sense for them to host generative ai apps. 

But nobody gets that. They actually think small companies like ChatGPT are competitors. 

Yet apple recognizes the future isn’t the status quo. So ChatGPT could make a hardware and platform run if it’s own. So apple heads them off. 

Mits all constant win for apple. Foolish to fault them for building something and only launching when it’s thoroughly ready. 

Apple is historically not first to most technologies after all, just the best. 

Considering that MS is backing up OpenAI and investing billions in them, I wouldn't say that OpenAI is a small competitor.  

Also, I would agree that Apple is not the first and in some cases it's the best.  The problem is that Apple don't have a good record in cloud services.  MS and Google are miles ahead of Apple in this market, even more when you consider the datacenters and infrastructure both companies have.  We'll see what happens in the next few months / years.

Microsoft payed 69 billion dollars for Blizzard, Apple bought for Next Computer for $400 million dollars (which came with Steve Jobs), Apple also spend 750 million dollars for PA Semi, Intrinsity, and Anobit, which led to the A, M, R1 series Apple Silicon SOC's, Apple is not playing catch-up to Microsoft or Google in AI Apple has been extremely efficient in finance and tech execution in comparison to their competition over the years. 

I don't understand how the acquisition of Activision / Blizzard or NeXT Computer has any relation with the discussion about AI.

Apples pathway is on the edge (vertical computer companies can do that) while Microsoft, Google, Meta are designing for the nebulous cloud. Apple has been designing NPUs into their SOCs, to use actual AI-driven features for sometime, in addition Apple has included LiDAR in the Apple Vision which has also been in their iPhones/iPads for the last four years and plays a big part in supplying data for so-called AI functions at the edge.

So Intel and AMD are going to offer CPU based AI/ML acceleration just like the M1, M2 and M3 Macs, iPads, iPhones and even Apple Watches all of which are currently in the hands of the public I hope Intel and AMD and Nvidia can keep the wattage down (doubtful) in their quest to keep up with Apple.

Apple working AI on the edge is not only because they are a vertical company, but also because they don't have an infrastructure to run AI / LMM to the level of Microsoft, Google or Amazon.  And remember that Microsoft is also working in AI on the edge.  

And you are right that Apple have CPU's with neural engines now, but it's possible that the 11 TOPS - 18 TOPS of current Apple M-processors is not enough for what we are seeing today with AI / LMM.  For example, MS will require 40 TOPS to run Copilot locally. That could be the reason there are rumors Apple M4 processors will have a greater focus in AI. If the rumors are true, at the end of this year Apple will have competition from Intel Meteor Lake, AMD Strix Point and Qualcomm Snapdragon X Elite.  I don't think Intel and AMD will match Apple efficiency, but Qualcomm is a different story, considering they have an ARM CPU, their experience with mobile devices and there is a group of people that worked with Apple M processors. We'll have to wait and see how it goes.  Nvidia is a different story, considering they are focused on datacenters.  

loopless said:

It is NOT BS.  Unified memory is a huge advantage.

I have a 16GB 14" M1 MacBook Pro, and a  Dell 32GB Windows 11 Core I7 laptop. Both with SSD's.  I use them for software development.
The Windows 11 machine is bumping up against its memory limits (at which point the performance tanks)  earlier than I have problems with the MacBook when doing a similar set of tasks. For example, using QT Creator and Visual Code, then building large code bases and with lots of other apps open at the same time. 

And lets not talk about the various "blue screens" that still seem to plague Windows.
I looked at upgrading the Dell's memory  but it has CAMM memory that costs $1000 to upgrade - so don't be complaining about Apples prices!

It's not normal to have blue screens in Windows.  Most of the time is related to hardware issues. As an example, one of my customers had blue screens in his workstation when working with Revit, and after running a diagnostic we found out it was a bad memory module. Maybe you could run a diagnostic test to confirm there are no hardware problems. 

digitalclips said:

franklinjackcon said:

Worth considering that the macs are all new, while the thinkpads will all be a few years old so it's not that surprising there is a difference

Windoze is Windoze, a couple of years difference in hardware can't change that!

Windows 7 and 10 are very good as a whole.  Not perfect, but neither OS X, at least in my experience with both.  If someone as big as the DoD decided to go ahead and deploy Windows 10 in 3 million devices, I suppose then isn't that bad. 

http://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/688721/dod-wide-windows-10-rapid-deployment-to-boost-cybersecurity

lkrupp said:

So after all these years both Google and Microsoft suddenly realize that Apple was right all along. Controlling the software AND the hardware is a good thing, that the Walled Garden approach isn’t so bad after all. I guess pigs do fly.

At the same time, Apple may realize that touchscreen in notebooks and desktops can be useful and innovative, instead of a "toaster + fridge".  Looks like everyone has something to learn. 

sog35 said:

bdkennedy said:

Apple deserves this. That Apple ad was embarrassing to watch.

It's not ok to be a fridge/toaster until it's ok to be a fridge toaster. Right, Tim?

dude get real.

iPads had keyboards since forever. Its not about having a keyboard that makes the Surface a fridge toaster.

its about having a desktop OS stuffed into a tablet. 

And what about Apple pushing iPad Pro as a desktop replacement?  Is that a good idea?