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Samsung will still profit massively. They aren't dependent of the Note. Heck, they are far from dependent of their mobile division.

They are right. The vast majority of Galaxy users are people that associate more cores, more pixels with better phones. Those will keep buying Android devices, probably the great S7.

The others, that wanted S-pen specific features, will keep using older notes or other galaxy devices, too. They have no other choice.

Those that wanted the Note because it had the best screen and best camera won't obvious buy an iPhone as well.

For the users that feel that they lost trust in Samsung, some will go Android, some will go iOS.

This has to be the most disgusting, pathetic feature of all time. It is only a clunky necessity because Apple is doing with Macs what they did with iOS devices, until people said enough is enough. 128 GB of base storage? Greedy pigs.

singularity said:

no you are not. you are being aggressive and  basically bullying. All its needed is to point out why you think they are wrong. By this type of behaviour you help to stop people posting. 
If you think they are a troll just ignore or if they have a point come with a reason why they are wrong. or maybe a witty response.
I come here and learn a lot from the reasonable arguments made here (i admit i sometimes get involved with the unreasonable ones.. me bad )

Don't worry about him/her/it. I'm of the opinion that posts in these threads should always be related with the present topic. If he choses to troll, disturb threads with that sort of garbage, and those pathetic "cry for attention" posts with the "didn't read" mentality (or lack of?) just ignore it. Why bother? It's obvious to see that no one takes that poster seriously, and it's also easy to see why.

Anyway, on topic. People that chose the Note7 did it because:

• They wanted the S-pen;
• They wanted an Android device with great specifications;
• They wanted the phone with the best camera and screen;
• They wanted the phone with the highest "speczzzz" (moah cores, moah pixels);
• Design. 

If they wanted one because of that s-pen, another samsung device seems the obvious option (note 5, for now?). If they did it because of the best camera and screen, the s7 also is their next most obvious option. Same for the similar design.

Those that specifically wanted a great Android phone with great specifications, will obviously chose another Android device. Those that did it because of their bad interpretation of specifications, will also chose another Android device.

The only people that will jump from the note to iOS are those that are not attached to a specific ecosystem, and base their decisions on other metrics, like status and support. All other cases seem to not benefit Apple, unless the others that have the obvious alternative on the S7 edge, will specifically want to show the middle finger to Samsung. In my opinion, that would automatically mean a gazillion of Apple sales if they didn't screw their users so much, for so long. (Pathetic base storage, pathetic camera hardware, bad multitasking capabilities) until 2016, the year where Apple blew everyone else out of the water on almost every metric.
 

Soli said:

sog35 said:

40% is gross profit margin. 
That does not include adminstrative costs, marketing costs, taxes, ect

25% is net margin. Basically the amount Apple keeps after all expenses are paid

It is very low. People who say Apple products are overpriced are idiots. Quality and great customer service cost money

Even if their net profit margin was 300%, it wouldn't mean there product is overpriced unless the price of the item was higher than the number of units they can produce. If the excessive, long-term, and YoY run on the iPhone has taught us anything about Apple is that they sell below their equilibrium price point, at least within a launch earnings quarter.

Because Apple's economies of scale are better due to their Hugh unit sales, their vertical and horizontal integration allows for reduced engineering costs, and mindshare which allows them to generate more revenue through less advertising, they would make more profit per unit others CE companies. This should be championed, not used in a weak attempt to tear down the company.

So if I believe Apple is selling below their equilibrium price, it would be foolish for them to leave money on the table, as it were. So what benefit does Apple get from making the iPhone less expensive than it should be? I think it comes back to the earning reports showing just how efficient Apple is run. They try to keep their margins at a certain rate. If they kept growing substanitally every quarter at some point there would be a legitimate issue with their margins affecting their mindshare. I think coming in below the equilibrium price and having the resultant scarcity when a most of their new product launches helps their bottom line in the long-term.

I'm not saying otherwise. Re-read my post, please.

Your issue here is that, for some reason, they are making all the correct decisions, with the mentality of Blackberry fanboys. "Do you think you know better than people at Apple?"

Hmmm, Yes. Obviously, a lot of users and people outside bubbles can see things that people inside those bubbles can't. People in charge also know those things, but don't care because they know that they can get away with it, or profit from users like you.

When the iPhone was released, Blackberry and Nokia sales were growing. Do you think you know more than people managing companies worth hundreds of billions of dollars? Some stupid decisions are easy to spot. Some users emotionally invested are also easy to spot. Something tells me that if I dig into your post history, I would see you defend the 5s screen size, the 5s and 6 RAM, and maybe even base storage until the 7. And why is that? Because you and other users are emotionally involved, for some sad reason that I don't care about. I remember the 5s review, when Anand was saying that the 1GB of RAM on the A7 would quickly be a limiting factor, already. 

Money grabs aren't necessarily related with profit margins. If Apple's margins were 95%, and if their product was better than the competition, due to their talent of all the people involved, their products wouldn't be overpriced. As it is, some of their products are disgusting garbage, and I don't see any other mainstream company dropping so low to actually sell similar products at those prices. TN panel on machines costing more than 1000$? It was insane, in 2012.  

Who in their right mind you:

• Buy a mac with a TN panel;
• Buy a Mac without a SSD;
• Buy a Mac that has components from 2 or 3 years ago?

That basically addresses all Macs on the market besides the rMB and the upgraded riMacs, that are expensive. Clearly this is the cause: Most Macs are crap.

However, Apple can easily mac the best personal computers. Are they waiting for something in particular? They have to be waiting for some special component, otherwise there's no excuse at all, besides milking uninformed users. 

sog35 said:

Just waiting for the loser trolls to show up and say:

1. Don't celebrate. Failure of Samsung is bad for Apple, cause competition is good
2. Don't celebrate. Since this could have easily happened to Apple
3. Don't celebrate. Because some iPhones also exploded (ignoring that those phones were damaged and smashed)
4. Don't celebrate. Samsung had courage to do the 'right thing'

Ok trolls. Now don't waste your time responding. Since I already brought up all your talking points.

Look, Sog35: The iPhone is, by far, the best smartphone on the Market, as a standalone device. Once you are into the Apple ecosystem, it becomes eons ahead as a product.

Can we agree on that?

However, despite all of that, Apple is really one greedy company that will try to do everything they can to improve immediate profit, at the cost of user experience and at the cost of future profit. Do you want examples?

• TN panels on MBAirs.
• 16 GB of base memory on iOS devices, until the 7.
• 1 GB of RAM on iOS devices, until the 6.
• Non-SSDs on Macs, even ones costing thousands of dollars;
• 128 GB base SSD storage on rMBPs.
• Selling the MBP.
• Non-stereo audio when filming videos with an iPhone.
• a8 chip on Apple TV4.
• Worse camera hardware than pretty much all competition, and worse than the s7 after the iPhone 7.

All of those decisions, if made from other OEMs, would quickly burn down the company and their products even faster than this Note7 fiasco. Those decisions impact greatly the experience, and made all of those products pieces of garbage. It's disgusting. It's also not up for discussion that those things are actually true. They are. Imagine if Microsoft made a computer with a TN panel. Or without an SSD. Or if Samsung made a flagship with camera hardware as pathetic as the 6 series (6s included), or 1GB of RAM until 2014.

Yes, a 1GB iPhone would always be much better than an Android device with 1GB, as far as memory management goes. However, Apple could do even better if they actually offered users what they could offer. As such, regardless of your position and opinion, everybody know that we all have the thank Samsung, and Samsung only, for actually having devices with proper base storage, proper memory management, an awesome SoC, and good battery life.

What pisses me off even more is that Apple could easily have the best mobile camera (they have the best software and best SoC, after all), but they don't, because they wanted to count some beans instead of putting a sensor at least, as big as Samsung was able to do 1 year ago. But no, gotta cheap out and go the gimmicky way.

Just like without Apple we would all be using Nokias 3310 and Blackberries, without Samsung your iPhone would still have 8GB of storage and 256MB of ram.

If you are reasonable, if anyone here is, then we can all agree on that.