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"If we do this a little bit by little bit they will accept it.  Some will be mad, but they aren't going anywhere.  Most will not even notice... or care.  We'll even have a few who will try to excuse and justify it.  Point is, we are going to be able to continue expanding our advertising efforts because bit by bit, they'll accept anything."
- some Ad guy presenting to Cook and the Executive Committee probably

I jest, but this is going to continue unabated.  Apple has realized that increasing advertising in an incremental and methodical way is going to result in general acceptance by their customers and a crap ton of additional revenue and profit.  They know you'll learn to love being the product. 

9secondkox2 said:

sroussey2 said:

Apple should have bought Lucid and made it that Apple car.

What a great idea that would have been. A superior car for sure. Vistied Lucid to check out the Air Sapphire and the Gravity later on. Unbeleivable vehicles. The care and craft that has gone into them is insane. Just like Apple. spend enough money, and you have performance that puts exitic nameplates to shame. 

Was really interested, but just not a fan of electic vehicles. If Apple would have bought them, I definitely would have bought in. There may still be an opportunity as Lucid is struggling a bit with nearly 50% production drop this last quarter. If Apple bought them and hired some of Tesla's business guys (say what you will, but they know how to navigate volatile markets and come out on top), business would be booming. That could lead to reneable energy offerings as well. If anyone knows about renewable energy, it's Apple. If I had the equivanent of a Tesla solar roof and PowerWall, an EV for daily commute would be a no-brainer. Perhaps Apple saw that allof the above was covered by Tesla already and didn't want ot get into a market where they weren't an end to end solution?

There's really no opportunity to buy Lucid, regardless of production drop. Lucid is ~65% owned by the Saudi Public Investment Fund (PIF).  CarPlay 2 was never going to get off the ground without agreements regarding data aggregation and sharing.  No OEM was going to give up access to all the customer data they collected.  The specter of customers forgoing purchasing specific vehicles due to lack of full CarPlay integration was never really an actual concern.  As long as customers have access to CarPlay via wireless and wired means, OEM car manufacturers don't really have to concern themselves with Apple's plans.  Additonally, they have Google more than happy to provide backend systems assistance and information access... yeah, Apple never stood a chance.

chadbag said:

Anyone who says it doesn't harm consumers hasn't actually thought it through.   That does not mean leaks can also, in some cases, be helpful to consumers.  It's not either/or.

Off the top of my head -- some harms to consumers : 

* leak may not be correct or Apple may change a feature or product at the last minute.  Any decisions made by consumer based on leaked info are based on bad or incorrect info. 

* leak may be incorrect.  3rd party accessory manufactured based on leak may not actually work correctly or fit. Consumer buying said accessory ahead of release in order to have it when the new Apple product arrives at their door has a piece of useless 3rd party junk.  

* Apple may decide not to announce leaked product or hold it back for more work and consumers who pushed off buying something they needed in anticipation of the newer one now are SOL.  

There are probably a dozen more obvious harms that you could come up with with a half hour of thought.  

There are also advantages consumers gain by leaks, such  as, if the leak is correct, advance knowledge that may help them make a "better" decision on a coming purchase 

You listed 3 bullet points.  All three are the exact same thing worded differently.  The "harm" you've repeated is someone may regret a buying decision.  That's it.  That isn't a harm to consumers and it isn't a consequence of leaks.  It's a consequence of everyday buying.  Every product we buy -especially tech- has the same frame trap: buy current or wait to buy future new.  Going even further down the tech rabbit hole you get the ones like me who debate on buying current or waiting to buy gen 2 (where they work the kinks out of gen 1).  In none of those instances is there a harm to consumers.  

You say there are probably dozens more you could come up with, but you haven't actually come up with one real harm to consumers.  You've simply highlighted examples of people who make bad purchasing decisions.  It's not really the same thing.  In fact, I can't really think of a single time an Apple leak as caused harm to consumers.  Can you?  I doubt Apple could either, or else they probably would have mentioned it as an example of the "harm".  

Leaks are a business issue.  Consumer issue? Not so much.

22july2013 said:

goofy1958 said:

harrykatsaros said:

aderutter said:

This will have far reaching effects, so really hope Apple & Google simply pull the app-store from South Korea.
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100% agree. Pull the stores and leave South Korea scrambling until consumers rip the government a new one for trying to fix something that wasn’t broken. People retaliating against this legislation will prevent other countries from attempting to do the same. Allowing alternative stores opens up the platform to a world of hurt. There’s a reason I don’t use Android. I don’t want my experience as a consumer to be ruined or compromised because some clueless government bureaucrats half way around the world went on some bullshit self righteous crusade in seek of good press.

Just because other app stores are allowed, doesn't mean that you have to download apps from them.  Stick with the Apple app store, and there is no change for you (or me).  I would never go to another app store other than Apple's, so not a big deal to me.  If people want to be stupid and download unknown apps from another site, that is on them, and one thing I really hope Apple does is have some sort of disclaimer that if you do, you may void your warranty.

You make a fair case for consumer freedom. But you don't realize that corporations also have freedom to not be required to provide the software and services to allow for third party app stores. How would you like it if you sold lemonade on your street and were told by the government that you had to sell your neighbor's lemonade and give the profits of that lemonade to your neighbor? Apple works very hard and deserves the right to not have to share its app store profit with its competitors.

Apple sells lemonade cups (iPhones and iPads).  All the kids (devs) in the neighborhood can sell flavors of lemonade(apps) but they have to pour it from the Apple pitcher (App Store) and Apple gets a cut of their sale.  L'il Bobby has his own pitcher and doesn't think he needs to use the Apple pitcher.  He can just pour his lemonade into the customers cup from his pitcher.  Apple says no.  Use my cup, you gotta use my pitcher.  
↑↑↑ That's a more apt description of the situation.   In this little story, most are still going to use the Apple pitcher because it's what they're used to using.  Bobby eventually brings his flavor of lemonade back to the Apple pitcher because not enough people stopped using the Apple pitcher for it to be profitable.

rob53 said:

I have to laugh about the ad revenue generated from Safari search result advertising. Raise your hand if you AREN'T using some kind of advertisement blocking on Safari. Wait, I'm not seeing any hands so at least the commenters on this forum aren't bothered by Google's (and other's) advertising. Apple knows this and they got $20B along with 36% of ad revenue. I use DuckDuckGo and there's very little advertising except for those ads buried in websites that aren't from Google. 

Why laugh? I'm pretty sure you, me, and most people on tech forums are in an extreme minority.  Most people simply don't care. People tend to want what they want and if its free, all the better it seems.  Evidence of that can be found in App Store metrics.  The top downloads are littered with Google and Facebook apps. 

Apple has no desire to drop Google because they make a crap ton of ad revenue and don't have to do any work.  They simply offer up their users and collect the check.  For those suggesting Apple use DDG... when DDG can stroke checks like Google they might become an option.  'Til then... 

I think it's unlikely to disrupt the high end TV market; or any end of the TV market for that matter.  As @Canukstorm mentioned, TV/movie consumption tends to be highly social.  The VP is decidedly the opposite of social.  If anything the VP will most likely augment the high end TV market as another toy in the toybox.  Just as an audiophile might have a listening room brimming with speakers, they'll also probably have various headphones - open back, closed, over/on ear, iem; etc.  Videophile might have a state of the art home theater and still have an iPad handy for casual watching.  The VP would fit somewhere in between.  

Unrelated.  Why have no outlets said a word about the top strap head accessory for the Vision Pro?  I'm guessing it's there to relieve fatigue after long viewing sessions. idk.  I do know it looks like an afterthought.  For anyone not familiar with what I'm referencing, look at Apple's video where the dad is filming his kids wearing the VP.  It sports an inelegant top strap.

MplsP said:

The convict is deciding what the punishment should be. Hmm...what could be wrong with that?

If Google is the convict, does that make Apple the Prison Bride?  Apple has made it known they prefer to keep their relationship with Google's money exactly as it is.

entropys said:

Why all these iPhone 14 rumours? Strategic leaks to reduce expectations for next week?
or alternatively, someone trying to dud Apple?

No need for conspiracy theories.  It's really no different from any other year.  When the newest handset is about to debut, a slew of rumors about it's successor begin to appear.  Heck, AI has been reporting on iPhone 14 rumors since earlier this summer.  Here's a running article that I think was started back in July.
 https://appleinsider.com/inside/iphone-14 ;

The same thing happened last year.  The same thing will happen next year.  Wash. Rinse. Repeat.