gatorguy

jfreedle2 said:

Just more proof that Google does spy on everyone and cannot be trusted.

In case you're interested in facts more than FUD...
Google cannot see the contents of any RCS Google Messages. They are encrypted end-to-end, from your device which encrypts them, to the receiver's phone, where they are decrypted. It is equally as secure and private as iMessage, and at least in one way even more so than Apple's Messaging.  At the very worst they might be able to log metadata, same as Apple can, which is hardly the same as seeing the contents of a message.

If you are comfortable with others potentially being able to read your RCS messages sent from your iPhone, just as they can read SMS messages now, then it won't matter if the GSMA ever makes encryption part of the standard.  They might not, and I don't think Apple will care. The GSMA has had years to do so and have ignored it despite Google's pushing them to add it. Encryption is not in the interests of the carriers, and they have been the ones leading the RCS standards body.  

So until there's movement on that front, while iPhone owners cannot be assured of RCS privacy and security, Google Messages users will be. That is unless an iPhone user enters that conversation and breaks the security with Apple's RCS. There's been no mention of Google requiring those unencrypted iPhone messages to display a different bubble color in Google Messages but IMO, they will likely have green bubbles as default, the same as the insecure fallback SMS now has, while blue is reserved for Google's encrypted and secure communications.

Of course an Android owner can choose to change the colors from the defaults, even to specific contacts in a conversation. 

I don't think the real danger to Apple's business practices will come from the DoJ. Look out for class-action/competitor lawsuits claiming antitrust violations, and I expect there to be several. 

auxio said:

jellyapple said:

Tim really loves China. 

Given that it's Chinese regulation driving this, it's not specific to Apple. Everyone will have to fall in line or risk not being able to sell in China.

It won't affect Google Android. They still won't be selling products in China

Microsoft, for their part, is debating whether to close their AI labs in China altogether. with concerns over security as well as lab projects making their way into Chinese military products.  Some number of the China researchers have recently been moved to a similar facility in Canada. 

Kierkegaarden said:

gatorguy said:

Madbum said:

gatorguy said:

davgreg said:

This is Jonathan Kanter's work. Total Socialist.

Guess Biden should hire Hunter to apply his law degree as a consultant on Government Relations. Or maybe buy a few pictures to hang up at Tim's house.

Biden's mis-Administration is the most blatantly political since the Jackson administration. 

The facts are quite simple- consumers are free to buy Windows, Android, Roku and whatever hardware they wish.
Every significant cloud service is easily available to any consumer.
Every significant productivity app is interoperable.
Same for Maps, TV, Music, Books and all the rest.

Consumers are free to use any search engine they want to: Bing, DDG, Brave, Ecosia.... Yet that didn't stop the Trump administration, with wide support from a Republican legislative branch, from filing antitrust charges against Google. But that's OK because it's some other big homegrown American company being attacked and not Apple?

I don't think it matters what party holds office. They both have emboldened the FTC and DoJ. 

Google suit is different , that had to do with information censorship and Google was and is the dominant search engine.

iphones are at best 50/50 in  USA market share and 4 to 1 world wide 

Huh?? Google LOST an antitrust case involving the Play Store, and that's despite Google allowing third-party stores, sideloading, and having under a 40% share of the US smartphone market. Yet you believe Apple having a far larger share, approaching 65%, not allowing 3rd-party app stores in the US, and allowing sideloading only under very specific enterprise conditions, should make them immune? 

This is what I found on that lawsuit:

“Google reached the settlement with the state attorneys general in September, resolving litigation that the AGs brought in 2021, and the terms were disclosed in a filing Monday (available at this link). The states’ lawsuit alleged Google Play was an illegal monopoly that stifled competition from other app distributors on Android devices. Specifically, the states claimed that Google signed anticompetitive contracts to prevent other app stores from being preloaded on Android devices, paid off key app developers who might have launched rival app stores, created technological barriers to deter consumers from directly downloading apps to their devices and imposed monopoly prices on in-app purchases.”

Very different situation from the App Store.  Google has allowed consumer side loading from the beginning, but tried to stifle competitors from taking advantage of this (allegedly) — Apple has never allowed consumer side loading, and they have been consistent with this.  There are other platforms that only allow for one app marketplace — is this illegal? 

I was referring to Epic, but that one works too. 

Madbum said:

gatorguy said:

davgreg said:

This is Jonathan Kanter's work. Total Socialist.

Guess Biden should hire Hunter to apply his law degree as a consultant on Government Relations. Or maybe buy a few pictures to hang up at Tim's house.

Biden's mis-Administration is the most blatantly political since the Jackson administration. 

The facts are quite simple- consumers are free to buy Windows, Android, Roku and whatever hardware they wish.
Every significant cloud service is easily available to any consumer.
Every significant productivity app is interoperable.
Same for Maps, TV, Music, Books and all the rest.

Consumers are free to use any search engine they want to: Bing, DDG, Brave, Ecosia.... Yet that didn't stop the Trump administration, with wide support from a Republican legislative branch, from filing antitrust charges against Google. But that's OK because it's some other big homegrown American company being attacked and not Apple?

I don't think it matters what party holds office. They both have emboldened the FTC and DoJ. 

Google suit is different , that had to do with information censorship and Google was and is the dominant search engine.

iphones are at best 50/50 in  USA market share and 4 to 1 world wide 

Huh?? Google LOST an antitrust case involving the Play Store, and that's despite Google allowing third-party stores, sideloading, and having under a 40% share of the US smartphone market. Yet you believe Apple having a far larger share, approaching 65%, not allowing 3rd-party app stores in the US, and allowing sideloading only under very specific enterprise conditions, should make them immune?