gatorguy

chasm said:

shrave10 said:

If there is a nickname for the tax loop hole called "Double Irish" then they probably did not name it just for Apple's sake.  Likely lots of other companies used the same loophole.  I suspect Apple and Ireland will win the appeal. 

Indeed, other companies did take advantage of the “Double Irish” loophole. As the article mentions, however, Apple didn’t have to follow the “rules” of the Double Irish loophole the same way the other companies had to.

THAT is what might (might!) get them in trouble.

davidw said:

gatorguy said:

davidw said:

gatorguy said:

AppleZulu said:

I don’t have time to this myself, but I suspect some enlightenment could be derived by comparing the fine print on this subject for the Apple Watch and the iPhone, if someone wants to do it. 

The phone claims a level of water resistance. The watch is actually sold as something you can use while swimming. I suspect the difference in warranty language would shed light on what the phone’s warranty limitations are all about. 

Apple's Watch warranty, even for the Apple Watch Ultra, will not cover water damage. But what about AppleCare+? That covers damage due to "unexpected and unintentional events" which includes accidental contact with liquids, after paying a deductible.  Willfully wearing it in wet conditions may not be covered, so you wouldn't mention you intentionally went swimming with it.  
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/254258623?sortBy=ran

You know the phrase "talk the talk, but not walk the walk"? 

Just because it's stated in Apple warranty that water damage is not covered, even for their devices with high water resistance IP rating, it doesn't mean that Apple will not cover any of their devices for water damage, at all.

We're agreeing, right? As long as you're willing to push the issue, preferably in person at an Apple Store if one is within a couple of hours drive time, you may get a replacement despite Apple specifically saying it is not a warranty event.

In fairness Samsung and Garmin do the same thing with no coverage for water damage. Perhaps that's why their respective marketing departments try to one up each other with promoting examples of using them in situations they don't warranty. They want to appear more durable than the competition. If Apple says go swimming, "it's an iPhone", but Samsung doesn't show a happy swimmer wearing their Galaxy watch, then that proves the Apple Watch is more water-resistant, even if the on-paper specs might be the same, right? 

Gotta love grandiose marketing. 


Of course some buyers reading their warranty and seeing no coverage for water damage may not even try, saving Apple the cost of considering replacement to begin with. So I understand the reasoning behind the lawsuit, even if the likelihood of winning is low, along with why some of us here think Apple or Samsung or Garmin can't warranty it anyway.

So wouldn't it be better if Apple would avoid telling us to go swimming with it, and instead simply promote the water resistance and what that generally means, along with caution to avoid contact with water? Put that wrning details in the footnotes if they want to minimize it, but at least let buyers know they are doing so at their own risk.
That would have avoided a lawsuit altogether.  

Is up-front honesty something you would disagree with? Sounds more consumer-friendly, doesn't it, even if the marketing department doesn't like it? 

BTW- The Apple Watch since Series 2 also have an ISO rating of 22810:2010. Not sure if Samsung watches have the same rating. So it's not just the IP rating that might make the Apple Watch more water resistance than the Samsung watch with the same IP rating.

https://www.gearpatrol.com/tech/is-apple-watch-waterproof/

>Most Apple Watches (Series 2 or later) have an ISO water-resistance rating of 22810:2010, meaning they’re safe up to 50 meters underwater.

The Ultra and Ultra 2 are even more rugged, and they both carry a water-resistance rating of 100 meters. So if you want to take a dip with your Apple Watch, go for it. There are even several swimming options to choose from in the Workout app.<

iPhones do not have this same ISO rating and I don't ever recall Apple saying that you could swim with your iPhone.