gatorguy

9secondkox2 said:

With Google, it’s the TOS and privacy policy. Otherwise you can’t use their wares. 

Well of course you can't.

You own an iPhone. Can you use it without accepting Apple's Terms of Service? How about a Mac. Can you use it without agreeing to Apple's ToS. AppStore? Yup, ToS agreement or no go. 

9secondkox2 said:

From Google:

“Permission to use your content

Some of our services are designed to let you upload, submit, store, send, receive, or share your content. You have no obligation to provide any content to our services and you’re free to choose the content that you want to provide. If you choose to upload or share content, please make sure you have the necessary rights to do so and that the content is lawful.”

They state prior that YOU cannot use other people’s work. But THEY (Google) can use yours. 

Of note, as relates to AI usage of your creative works:

• Google isn’t liable for:
• loss of profits, revenues, business opportunities, goodwill, or anticipated savings
• indirect or consequential losses
• punitive damages

The verbiage in “permission to use your content” is very broad brush. And the verbiage “sharing your content with our services” is basically “you e chosen to share your content with Google” who can then do as they wish. 

It’s astounding that anyone who has a care in the world uses these services. 

I see you reaching for any hint of Google doing something devious with your content, and no way to avoid it, but based on what you've come up with I'm not seeing it.  

Except to the extent prohibited by law, you hereby grant Apple a worldwide, royalty-free, perpetual, nonexclusive license to use the materials you submit within the Services and related marketing as well as to use the materials you submit for Apple internal purposes. Apple may monitor and decide to remove or edit any submitted material, including via automated content filters and/or human review...

and

...you grant Apple a worldwide, royalty-free, non-exclusive license to use, distribute, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content on the Service solely for the purpose for which such Content was submitted or made available, without any compensation or obligation to you.

By accepting the ToS Apple also collects and uses "Data about your activity on and use of our offerings, such as app launches within our services, including browsing history; search history; product interaction; crash data, performance and other diagnostic data; and other usage data" and "For research and development purposes, we may use datasets such as those that contain images, voices, or other data that could be associated with an identifiable person"

Of note, as long as data is aggregated the privacy policy does not apply. 

So since you have your "Trust no one" hat on, does any of that indicate Apple doing something devious with your data? 

9secondkox2 said:

Wow. That’s pure evil. 

Is the exact thing Google does. 

Only Google doesn’t charge you an arm and a leg subscription pricing. 

What the heck? 

Actually Google allows Opt-Out, and in most cases that's the default. A user has to actively Opt-In to data sharing. They've also improved on their general data privacy with map location tracking and history now stored on personal devices rather than at Google, and which follows their 2 years earlier decision to no longer use Gmail contents for key-wording or other advertisement purposes. 

It's common for many of the AI systems to collect user data, anonymized or not, and Opt-out provision vary. Some make it hard, some make it easy, and some just don't have opt-out as an option.
https://www.wired.com/story/how-to-stop-your-data-from-being-used-to-train-ai/

Since iOS10 you've given Apple permission to collect some of your data for training ML/AI, "anonymized" of course, though you probably weren't aware of it being disclosed in the ToS you agree to. Nobody reads'em.

Some data sharing on your iDevices like Apple TV was once automatically opt-in, and users had to be aware of a setting to Opt out. I think they've corrected that misjudgment now, but you know who doesn't get it?

We’re updating our Privacy Policy as we expand AI at Meta

Hi (fill in your name)

We’re getting ready to expand our AI at Meta experiences to your region. AI at Meta is our collection of generative AI features and experiences, such as Meta AI and AI creative tools, along with the models that power them.

What this means for you

To help bring these experiences to you, we’ll now rely on the legal basis called legitimate interests for using your information to develop and improve AI at Meta. This means that you have the right to object to how your information is used for these purposes. If your objection is honoured, it will be applied from then on.

We’re including updates in our Privacy Policy to reflect these changes. The updates come into effect on 26 June 2024.

Thanks,
The Meta Privacy team

melgross said:

gatorguy said:

It's not yet clear if they are taking our content and using it for their own AI training purposes or just poorly explaining that they need the permissions to do what users request of their AI. Since there is no "Opt-Out," as I presume the EU would require if they were accessing your private data, I suspect it's the latter.

Adobe needs to explain things far better, and soon.
Now if you were talking about Meta instead, yeah they really are claiming ownership of your Facebook interactions for training their LLM models. 

The terms are vague enough so that they can claim we accepted the usage.

Not if they make a public proclamation they won't be using our content for their own purposes, and better explain the reasons for the ToS change. That in itself would be enough for lawyers and regulators to be on notice for any hint they're not being completely honest. 

It's not yet clear if they are taking our content and using it for their own AI training purposes or just poorly explaining that they need the permissions to do what users request of their AI. Since there is no "Opt-Out," as I presume the EU would require if they were accessing your private data, I suspect it's the latter.

Adobe needs to explain things far better, and soon.
Now if you were talking about Meta instead, yeah they really are claiming ownership of your Facebook interactions for training their LLM models.