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davgreg said:

This is Jonathan Kanter's work. Total Socialist.

Guess Biden should hire Hunter to apply his law degree as a consultant on Government Relations. Or maybe buy a few pictures to hang up at Tim's house.

Biden's mis-Administration is the most blatantly political since the Jackson administration. 

The facts are quite simple- consumers are free to buy Windows, Android, Roku and whatever hardware they wish.
Every significant cloud service is easily available to any consumer.
Every significant productivity app is interoperable.
Same for Maps, TV, Music, Books and all the rest.

Consumers are free to use any search engine they want to: Bing, DDG, Brave, Ecosia.... Yet that didn't stop the Trump administration, with wide support from a Republican legislative branch, from filing antitrust charges against Google. But that's OK because it's some other big homegrown American company being attacked and not Apple?

I don't think it matters what party holds office. They both have emboldened the FTC and DoJ. 

AppleZulu said:

gatorguy said:

AppleZulu said:

Google's Android running in automotive hardware as an operating system while Apple's CarPlay runs on iPhones while projecting to (mostly) dumb terminal displays is consistent with both companies' approaches to everything else. It shouldn't be surprising. Android is an OS designed to run on third-party hardware. With the exception of the time of Steve Jobs' exile, Apple has made a very good business of only writing operating systems for its own hardware....

 Now with Apple apparently dropping out of the Apple Car lane, that dynamic will change again. It might've been worth it to shut CarPlay out if they were going to make a competing car, but if they're not, then it very much would not be worth it to have a not-insignificant number of customers not to even consider a company's cars because CarPlay is not an option. 
 

Carplay will run under Android Automotive. That OS doesn't remove compatibility for Android Auto or Apple CarPlay, and both will still work with a car that runs it. 

Yeah, I don't think it does. Android Automotive is branded as Google built-in, and there's no indication anywhere I've found that CarPlay will run on top of that. It's a bit counterintuitive that it would. Also, it would be not only counter-intuitive, but daftly redundant for it to run Android Auto on top, since all of Android Auto's features are included and enhanced in the Google built-in platform. So if you have information outside of your own imagination that CarPlay is available in cars running Google built-in, you'll have to provide a reference link.

https://9to5mac.com/2022/07/26/apple-carplay-android-volvo/
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/android-automotive-cars-get-carplay-support-because-really-why-not-191912.html
The magic of Android Automotive is its adaptability to the automaker's needs. 

danox said:

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danvm said:

9secondkox2 said:

danvm said:

danox said:

Apple is hardly behind but they are on a different path and actually are able to execute on hardware and software Apple doesn't need Google the Tensor is 5 or 6 years behind Apple right now and Google is a long way from running AI locally on their feeble Tensor SOC'S and Samsung is (hopelessly) even further away and Microsoft isn't even in the mobile ball game right now, note Wall Street is clueless about this little detail in their AI Hype train.

AI on the edge is the pathway Apple is on, phoning home and having the end user wait is the path Google, Microsoft, Meta, Qualcomm and Samsung are on. Why? Their SOC'S/OS software are way behind Apple. 

What Apple does need to do/consider is leveraging the full benefit of Apple Silicon, the low power/wattage, speed, UMA memory combined with a OS optimized to the hardware just screams out, the M3 Studio Ultra with 256 gigs (coming at WWDC) or a Mac M3 Extreme (CarPlay wasn't all for nothing) Pro tower with 512 gigs just says welcome to the world of inference on the Mac. Apple is/has been working on software tools to support developers for long time.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/08/apple-explains-how-it-uses-machine-learning-across-ios-and-soon-macos/.  From 2020 before the current AI Hype

https://venturebeat.com/ai/apple-researchers-achieve-breakthroughs-in-multimodal-ai-as-company-ramps-up-investments/

https://daily.dev/blog/mm1-the-advanced-30b-parameters-multimodal-llm-from-apple

Apple has been consistent in their AI/ML on the edge pathway. Apple won't be using Google anymore for AI than they currently use Google maps.

I think that Apple have no option but AI on the edge.  They don't have the datacenters or infrastructure to run AI / LMM as MS, Google or Meta.  And MS is going for AI on the edge too, with the new processors + NPU from Intel, AMD and Qualcomm.  Looks like MS is the one with all bases covered, from edge to the cloud and AI services.  

...M series has been ready for AI from launch. And they’re only adding more neural engines. It could be that we can on-device AI processing while the beggars get cloud crap. That would be something. 

Just so long as it’s not connected to that Gemini trash. 

From what I have seen, Apple has been focused with AI in the edge, not in the cloud.  And while they have data centers, are they ready for AI / LMM? If that's the case, why they are working with Google for Gemini?

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I think that Apple have no option but AI on the edge.  They don't have the datacenters or infrastructure to run AI / LMM as MS, Google or Meta.  And MS is going for AI on the edge too, with the new processors + NPU from Intel, AMD and Qualcomm.  Looks like MS is the one with all bases covered, from edge to the cloud and AI services.  .

Google, and Meta want user data that is their sole number one interest in cloud based solutions and Samsung is just along for the ride.

Because just like Gemini runs ON-DEVICE on my Pixel 8 Pro, it can run ON-DEVICE on the upcoming iPhone 16. Neither one would require the cloud to operate. 

But gosh @danox , that doesn't jibe with your claim that Google only wants it to be a cloud solution for the user data. 

Gemini hallucinating on the iPhone and waiting 3-5 hours for a result phoning home from the Google cloud doubtful Apple will take that on.

The Google Tensor is the weakest SOC on the market by a mile imagine if Apple said wait 3-5 hours and be close to a cell phone tower for the functionally provided by Video Boost and Night Sight the only reason they exist is because the Tensor can't do the processing on the phone and it is also ironic because modem on the Google Pixel is the weakest on the market.

https://www.androidauthority.com/google-tensor-3060818/  Smartphone Soc weakness the current Tensor doesn't even equal a 11 Pro iPhone (phoning home is only thing Google can do today to make up for being so far behind, that is probably also the reason Google decided not to do implement LiDAR on the Pixel phone?

https://www.androidauthority.com/snapdragon-8-gen-3-vs-tensor-g3-3382154/ Still behind by a lot and unfortunately the only choice might be to dump the Tensor.

https://www.androidpolice.com/video-boost-pixel-8-pro-review/ Phoning home for functionally five years behind the iPhone simply can't process on the phone wait 3- 5 hours for a result really?

Did you miss the part about Gemini NOT phoning home, or just choose to ignore it. It runs privately and securely ON-DEVICE on the Pixel 8 Pro, just as it can run ON-DEVICE privately and securely on your next iPhone if Apple opts for a license? You can be an odd ill-informed cat when your drive to win is greater than your interest in understanding. 

If Apple takes a license, it will be precisely because Google's Gemini Nano will run on the device and not in the cloud, just as it does on a Pixel. 

ihatescreennames said:

gatorguy said:

ihatescreennames said:

AppleInsider said:

Bloomberg's Mark Gurman reports that Apple's next-gen CarPlay still runs on the iPhone, which provides greater flexibility, but no opportunity for licensing harvesting user data.

FTFY

The article is written confusingly and may give readers a mistaken impression. 

The new version will run natively on the vehicle, licensed from Apple but integrated by the manufacturer for its purposes. Apple is relinquishing some control, offering the software, but turning hardware over to the manufacturers. It won't be running from the iPhone.  Of course, manufacturers will have expanded access to data, and opportunity for monetizing if that's their intent, and it is for nearly all of them. 

Which article are you referring to? This one and the Bloomberg article both say that CarPlay will not be integrated with the vehicle and will still run on a connected iPhone. Are you reading something that says otherwise or speculating?

That's two different things. Yes, the "new" Carplay will be backward compatible and will still work from your iPhone just as it always has as I understand it.

BUT IN ADDITION, Apple will be licensing the OS to automakers to integrate with their own hardware, not the iPhone. Essentially the same as Google is doing with Android Automotive which is not the same as Android Auto, the latter which still works directly from an Android phone.

Both will utilize the essential 1st party apps, which the automaker will integrate with their own in-vehicle control systems. The automobile functions themselves will not be streaming from your iPhone or your Android phone, and personal in-vehicle data will be in the hands of the manufacturer and not the OS provider, which would be either Google or Apple. 

In a nutshell, the Apple/Google apps will be treated as third-party apps by the manufacturer. Android Automotive is offered both with and without Google App Services, and my guess is that Apple will do the same, but it is just that, a guess. Further to that, it should eliminate the requirement that the driver even owns an iPhone for the system to work, if I'm understanding it correctly. 

9secondkox2 said:

Of course Apple caves. 

I mean, outside of USA government stepping in to prevent EU abuse, what are they going to do? 

Leaving the market is the only other option. 

This is government taking over. It’s sickening. Sure, the EU isn’t assuming the day to day reigns, but they’ve effectively become the Apple boardroom in Europe. 

If Apple didn’t “cave,” we all know the EU won’t give the the decency of a notice or warning that they’re not in compliance with draconian hot-takes. They’ll just fine them into oblivion and laugh all the way to Rolls Royce dealership. 

You do understand that Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Amazon are being forced to make significant changes in their EU business models to meet the DMA mandates. These are not Apple-specific rules.

It's worth reading up on what the other gatekeepers are required to do to fulfill their obligations in the EU so as to understand it's not "poor old'Apple being picked on". 
For obvious reasons, the only stories we read here about the changes gatekeepers are making are those from Apple.

Here's a start for learning about the others, and FWIW I don't expect that the EU will agree they've all gone far enough yet :
https://digital-markets-act-cases.ec.europa.eu/reports/compliance-reports