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  • Apple Watch ban back on, court denies Apple's appeal to keep it on the market

    kkapoor said:
    deckert63 said:
    Is Masimo a real healthcare technology firm or are they a patent troll? If the former, not sure why apple doesn’t pay them the license fees like they do Qualcomm. If the latter, may Masimo rot in special place in hell only reserved for patent trolls. 
    They are a real company and their claim against Apple is legitimate.
    Yes Massimo is a real company.  No, their claim has not been found to be legitimate (or not legitimate) that I know of.  Patents don’t cover ideas.  They cover implementations of ideas.  I’m not aware that Massimo has shown that Apples implementation violates their patent.  It may or may not, but I don’t think that’s been shown.   Often a company has a patent on a process that implements a specific function and if someone else comes out with that function they assume that the company that came out with that function must have used the same process they have protected by patent and sues.   But only based on the functionality involved, not the actual patented process.  So far that is where I think this is at.  The actual trial was declared a mistrial for some reason.  

    The basic tech of getting oxygen saturation used is not new and not patent protected.  What the patent is is a way to more reliably do it when the subject is moving or not perfectly still.  Or something like that.  A way to do it more reliably in real world non hospital conditions. 

    Apple has a feature in their watch that meets that function and Massimo claims Apple violates their patent because they have that function.  But I don’t think they’ve actually shown in code or circuitry that Apple uses the same process to get there. 

    I’m not shilling forget Apple.  Apple may have copied the process enough to violate the patent or they may have come up with their own unique way of doing it that is different in process with the approximate same results as the Massimo process. I don’t know.  I just haven’t seen anywhere that claims Massimo has actually technically shown their process was copied and not just the general functionality. 

    If Apple copied they should license and pay a royalty.   But Massimo needs to technically prove that their patented process was used by Apple in some form and not just the end result. 


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  • 2024: Apple's 40 year old Macintosh survives another year

    I was a freshman at college in 1984 and my university was one of the Apple Education partners that sold the Mac to students “inexpensively”.   But I couldn’t afford one but did use one in our student center and also one owned by a guy in our dorms.  He had the programming manuals eventually as well soon looked into those.  

    I, however, had learned programming on Apple ][+ that the grade school had and gave me access to since I was helping their tented and gifted teacher teach the kids programming, and we had an Atari 400 and later Atari 800 at home along with a DEC PDT 11/150 single chip LSI-11 based computer my dad bought through a DEC employee purchase program.  We had that computer for several years until my dad realized there was no employee purchase field service (repair and maintenance) program and any repairs would be more than we paid for the computer.  I learned a ton about programming on the Atari 800 and the PDT 11/150 running RT-11.  

    But when the Lisa came out I wanted one but didn’t have $10k to spare as a high school student.  When the Mac was released I wanted one badly but it was not in my student budget.  

    Later I bought an Atari ST for midi and general use and lusted after a Mac.  I went to work for DEC and attended night school (paid by DEC) to try and finish my degree.  Since I had two classes part time I qualified to buy a student discounted Mac and bought a Mac Plus for around $900 student price in Fall 1989.  Been a max use since.  I eventually went back to full time school to try and graduate and bought a Mac LC.  I still have it and it booted last time I tried.  Eventually bought a Mac LC 475 with PPC upgrade added and then a 7200, and later a 9500 and a Umax clone.  I have none of those.  I bought a Bondi Blue iMac on the first day and used that for years.  I still have it and it boots (tried a year ago) though the power supply is flaky.  Probably failing capacitors.  Had an iBook G3 for many years and then inherited a 2014 MBP from a job when the company failed.  They let me keep my machine as payment for helping wind things up.  Still have that though my daughter uses it most of the time.  It had an issue in 2017 and I had a paid side gig so bought an iMac to finish that gig and the iMac has been my main personal machine since.   I did get the MBP repaired and as I mentioned, my daughter uses it regularly as do I when we travel.   Family also has a 2015 iMac and my son has an M1 MacBook Air. 

    I’ve worked in Mac development since 1993 when I started at WordPerfect and while I’ve mail my been doing iOS since 2012, as DED mentioned, it’s basically the same as Mac with a different UI layer.  Same with iPad.  (And watch and TV etc).  

    It’s been refreshing to work with the modern tech that Jobs developed at NeXT and brought to Apple.  One of my Mac jobs wanted to put their stuff on the web and we started using WebObjects (right before Apple bought them) and that was my entry into the dynamic OO of OpenStep (macOS iOS etc) and Objective-C (then and some now though Swift has replaced a good percentage).  Been a great ride and may but last another 13 years.  

    Though the computing world and future in the early 1980s was exciting, it’s just as much or more so now in the matured world of computing we live in. 

    My Atari 400 had 16k bytes of RAM upgraded to 48k.  And used 88k floppies.   My phone, on which I’m typing, has gigabytes of RAM and 256gb of storage.   Amazing.  Will be amazing to see where we are at when I retire in the mid to late 2030s.  

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  • Masimo has spent $100M in Apple Watch patent infringement fight

    bulk001 said:
    It doesn’t matter if you love Apple and hate Masimo or their business practices. It will all come down to what the law says. So far Apple has lost on every step here but they have gotten to a place where they can argue their case in a Federal court. You can play outraged armchair patent lawyer or wait for the case to be heard and judged on the merits as it relates to the law. Till then it is all empty speculation. 
    Where are you getting your info from?  Apple has not
    lost every step up to now.  The actual patent trial was a mistrial (and seems to have been in Apple’s favor 6-1). 

    I’m interested is evidence that Apple is actually infringing whatever patents Massimo is claiming.  This sort of O2 Sat technology has been around forever.  The patent is not on O2 sat tech.  It is on a specific “new” refinement of the tech.  Has Massimo presented evidence showing actual infringement or are they just saying “Apple must be infringing to be able to do that” like many of these claims seem to be.  
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  • Apple gets backlash from India after uncovering hacks on journalists

    Now Apple needs to stand up to China. 
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  • How to turn off macOS Sonoma's click to reveal desktop

    Gratuitous non helpful changes are Apple’s forte.  They should introduce new features like this and always make them opt-in.  Installing a new version of the OS shouldn’t change how one I get acts with and uses the OS.  

    This is one reason I’m always a version or two behind.  I don’t want to be surprised or have things “break” when I don’t have time to deal with it.  I’m always busy and use my Macs for real work and managing of my life and such surprises are more than I want to deal with so I tend to upgrade conservatively. 
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