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Review: Apple's 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar
I dont know any MacBook user who shuts down their notebook, instead of just closing the lid and opening it again when they need to use it later.
Now if we talking Windows. Then yeah.. been there done that. Man it sucks when your laptop wakes only to find the pointer frozen or missing. Reboot time!
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Review: Apple's 13" MacBook Pro with Touch Bar
Oh burn!!!rob53 said:Do you like your Mac? Would you like one of the latest MBPs? If so, then quit complaining and buy one and use it. If not, then go find a Windows PC and see it that satisfies your urge to waste your time fixing things instead of being productive.
I've never seen it stated it better. While I dont agree with many of the changes to the new MBP. I realize this is what Apple has always done. They have always been expensive. They have always been controversial in dropping legacy ports/devices. They have always had proprietary dongles, cables and devices.
But you know what else Apple has always done? Always delivered the most stable desktop OS and rock solid software. Always built robust, quality products that outlast, outperform and hold their value much better than their competitors. Always provided an unmatched user experience.
So this 2016 MBP w/TouchBar presents potential buyers with a choice that so many previous Apple products have done. Do you more money for the product from the company who has built a reputation of "just working"? Or do you save some bucks, choose a competitor.. and probably end up seriously regretting a few months later.. as you find out exactly the competition costs less and creates more headaches.
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Phil Schiller again defends Touch Bar MacBook Pro's 16GB RAM limitation
Please dont tell me you really believe the average/typical/majority of MBP user(s) are "professionals".. who somehow need 32GB of RAM in OSX.dysamoria said:
Most people aren't professionals or content creators. So is this machine aimed at professionals or not? Sounds like it's not. So why are they calling it a "pro" then?misa said:
Yup.macxpress said:Here we go again....needless 32GB debate Round 2!!!!
Anyone who actually buys this years model of MacBook Pro is going to be disappointed when next years model will likely get 32GB ram and has better battery life.
That said, most people don't need 16GB, let alone 8GB.
Like, right now on my Windows 10 Desktop PC which had 32GB of ram, only 16GB of ram is ever really utilized. I have like 40 tabs open between three web browsers, and 70 tabs open in a text editor. For the sake of not destroying a SSD quickly, more RAM is preferred because it means the page file is rarely used. In fact I have it set to 0MB on my system.
Now what actually uses 16GB? Well first of all only 64bit applications can use it, which means that web browsers (which aren't completely 64-bit aware, nor are they multi-threaded) don't ever make use of more RAM even when it's available. The only application I have that is native 64-bit is Photoshop. Everything else doesn't have much or any advantage to being compiled 64-bit. 64-bit apps wind up a bit faster due to simply not having to go through the WoW32 layer.
A Mac with 32GB or 64GB is overkill and unless you're dealing with Final Cut Pro with 4K videos (including editing videos from an iPhone 6S or 7) you're still not likely to be able to utilize it.
Now, the fact that the RAM is soldered onto the MacBook Pro, means that you should buy the model with the most RAM because you will not be upgrading it. So if you need 32GB, wait for next years model, or don't use a MacBook Pro.
As for software not using more than 16GB RAM... There's definitely more software out there that's native 64-bit. But that's not the issue. 32-bit applications had an issue with >4GB RAM. We aren't talking about >4GB any more. We're talking about >16GB now.
I run 32GB of RAM in my dedicated Windows PC.. and the only reason I did it was for shit and giggles. I cant think of a single task I'd do where that much RAM is needed.
As the previous poster said.. if you really need that much RAM in a MBP.. just put your money where your mouth is when Intel introduces MacBook compatible Kaby Lake CPU's next year. Because thats the RAM limitations of SkyLake are the only reason why Apple maxed out at 16GB. I cant wait to see how many of these internet "professionals" snatch up those $2000 32GB MacBooks next year.
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Phil Schiller again defends Touch Bar MacBook Pro's 16GB RAM limitation
I disagree.strells said:
This.jorgie said:Yeah because there's no way you could make the device thicker and give it a bigger battery.
The thin and light design requirement is the problem, not the technology. Trust me, I honestly want one of these machines, but I don't care if it weighs an extra pound and is a little bit thicker due to a bigger battery that can power more RAM. I'm sure most pros don't care as well.
The vast majority of mass produced consumer electronic devices such as the MBP is designed around the 80/20 rule. And I would imagine the overwhelming majority of MBP users appreciate the tradeoff of much lighter weight.. to sacrifice maxing out at 32GB of ram. Yes there are a few power users here and there who crave as much RAM as possible because they are doing all of this fancy CAD, photo or video editing.. but they make up just a few percentage of overall MBP users who use their machine for a variety of tasks and are always on the go from point A to point B.
As someone who has owned a 2009 MB, 2010 MBP, 2011 MBA, 2014 rMBP, 2015 rMBP and 2015 rMB. I can assure you not being able to run 32GB of RAM was the least important factor in my decision not to upgrade the 2016 rMBP. The same goes for the switch to all USB-C ports and loss of the MagSafe connector.
I greatly welcome the weight savings, but my primary reason for skipping out on the '16 rMBP upgrade is price. Once the touch bar model drops down to around $1200 street price.. I'll be trading in my '15 rMBP for it. Chances are that wont be until next year.. when you will probably see the '17 rMBP get announced with 32GB of RAM max and Kaby Lake cpus that support 32GB of LDDR4 ram. At that point.. I'd imagine you'd be interested in one also.
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Dealers say GM's rapid adoption of Apple CarPlay is helping them sell cars
And silly ass Toyota refuses to adopt CarPlay. I'm currently holding off my purchase of either a 2016 Honda Pilot or Ford Explorer w/Sync3 until either of these vehicles officially support CarPlay.
