tenly

tralalalalalala said:

tenly said:

But it shouldn't.  These organizations exist and it's a map products job to help you find and get to the place you need to go.  It's ridiculous for a maps product to apply filters or censorship tied to the author or owners morals, values or ethics.

People don't use "maps" to research their options for making important life choices - they use search engines like Google and Bing.  Only after they've done their research and made their decision will they turn to maps to help them get to the place at which they already have an appointment.

Hahahah, hahahahah, hahahahahahahhahaha.

Okay: "Hey Siri, please help me shoot up a school."

According to tenly: "These are the nearest gun shops."

According to ethical humans: "Maybe you should check out these anti-depression hotlines first."


/wipes tears. I love libertarians. Yes, please, let's not let ethical thought creep into our utopia.

Edit: The ultimate irony of your post is that Apple was required to introduce filters for this search because planned parenthood wasn't advertising that they help with abortions enough to get them on the standard search result. lol! Oh the irony. Thanks for the laugh.

Wow!  What an idiotic post!  All 3 of them actually.  I'm glad that you're able to find amusement in your comments since that's the only value they have.

Your words have no relevance to the topic being discussed.

We are talking about people who are requesting information they are legally allowed to request for a legal service they are legally allowed to consume.  Do you see the commonality?  The key word is legal.  LEGAL!!!  Do I need to shout it?

You barge in here with absurdity and nonsense about shooting up a school?  Where the hell did that come from?  That would be an illegal request and therefore it's not part of what we are discussing.  Siri, give me a list of gun shops in my area?  Absolutely Siri should respond with the correct information.  

Siri should respond to requests as if she were nothing more than an automated interface to the Yellow Pages or to an Encyclopedia.  Those resources have existed for dozens of years and society has managed to survive.

You and your comments add no value here.  Run off and take your fear mongering elsewhere...or keep your comments relative and your demeanour polite.  The funny part of your posts for me is that you obviously think you have good points!  LOL!  And *THAT* is frickin' hilarious!

tallest skil said:

tenly said:

You don't get to choose where your tax dollars go!

Uh, that’s literally exactly what we have the right to do.

Oh!  Great!  Problem solved then!  Can you please explain to @pigybank ;; and the rest of us how we can prevent our tax dollars from going to subsidize abortion clinics....

The law is unconstitutional. Sorry.

Sure - if you want to challenge the law in court - but there's a pretty good chance you wind up losing your challenge....  And until it is successfully challenged and declared unconstitutional, it's in people's best interest to abide by the law.  What point was it that you were trying to make?  Something useful?  Interesting?  Thought provoking? Or just random, weak contradiction?

pigybank said:

Mr_Grey said:

This statement alone shows your huge bias.  Planned Parenthood is an institution of long-standing that provides assistance to people in need, but somehow to you (based on absolutely no evidence because none is available) it is somehow an evil institution.  

Almost every "western" country has a branch of Planned Parenthood or something very similar with a different name in operation.  This has been the case for many decades.  In all those countries, these organisations have done good work and are a greatly respected part of their respective societies.  The only exception to this is the USA.  

The USA is not only on the wrong side of history with these wild religious based claims, they have no facts to support them.  The minute religion gets involved, reason goes out the window.  In that way, the USA is basically the same as ISIS.  

There is absolutely no basis for anything you just said. Many religious people are pro choice. Many non religious people are pro life.  More importantly though, many people throughout the world are pro life and no, not every country has rampant abortion clinics sprawling all over. 

Abortion law greatly differs throughout the world.  The US, Canada and most of Europe fall into the least restricted category.  Almost the entire rest of the globe has greater restrictions or regulates on a state by state basis.  Throughout the Middle East, parts of South America, most of Africa, and in Ireland for example it is reserved to mothers life being in danger or other serious health conditions.  In the UK it is restricted to cases of rape, mothers life in danger, mental health, deformity or other factors.  The US has no federal restriction on abortions and there are very few countries where that is the case.  Some of us just don't want our tax dollars going to providers of abortions.  We morally believe it's murder.  Period. 

More nonsense.! What was the point you were trying  to make here?  That you don't want your tax dollars susidizing aboetion clinics?  Then what was the point with all of the global statistics all about?  The only conclusion you draw is that "many people are pro choice" and "many people are pro life".  And thank you for that enlightenment - I'm sure that many people didn't realize that many people felt strongly one way or the other.

As for your tax dollars...well....tough shit.  Suck it up and move on.  You don't get to choose where your tax dollars go!  If you could, I'm sure that every single one of us would make some changes as to where our tax dollars go!  Ridiculous.

And the last thing your message does is displays your ignorance!  First of all, you presumptuously present yourself to be a spokesperson for the entire group of pro-lifers - and on behalf of ALL of the pro-lifers, you present a statement, which if true - proves that most pro-lifers are idiots!  If you live in an area where abortion is legal, then by definition - it cannot be murder.  A murder is "an unlawful, premeditated killing".  

It doesn't matter how much you dislike or disagree with the law - you can not "believe" it out of existence!  So please - let's drop the talk of "murder" and keep the debate grounded in reality.  You may also want to apologize to all of the pro-lifers you just tried to speak on behalf of.

pigybank said:

mathieullf said:

I can't believe it took Apple 4 years to fix this... That's pretty embarrassing. 

Maybe helping sexually irresponsible individuals get rid of their unborn children wasn't very high on the priority list? Just a guess.  And if you need Siri to find an abortion clinic you probably haven't thought it through very well.  

Complete gibberish.  I don't know if you're trying to be funny, or if you're trying to make a point - but either way, you failed miserably.  Pure nonsense.

apple ][ said:

tenly said:

Yes, exactly.  Even if the fetus were a human being (which has not been proven), by definition, terminating that fetus is not "murder" if it's done lawfully.
Yes, exactly.  The murder part wasn't a problem because murder is not involved.  The poster incorrectly used the word in the first half of their example.

"Murder" - "the unlawful, premeditated killing of one human being by another"

Slavery used to be legal in certain parts of the USA. I guess that everything was fine and dandy back then in that case, since it was legal after all.

And how was slavery abolished?  Was it by business owners pretending it didn't exist?  Or did it come as a result of government action?  

Every reasonable person agrees that abortion should be permitted at least in some cases - such as when carrying the baby to term will result in the death of the mother.  (Anyone who disagrees with that is not a reasonable person)

So - at least in cases like that, there needs to be a way for the person to locate the clinic - however, some people are promoting and supporting censorship and would have Apple and other businesses refuse to supply that information.

Another big problem with your comparison of slavery and abortion is that slavery is clearly a human rights violation.  With abortion, the issue is not so clear.  Perhaps 50 years from now there will be proof one way or the other - but until that proof appears - our best scientists and politicians have decided that it's better to allow it than to outlaw it - and much of the population agrees with that decision.

The truth of the matter is that many who go to these clinics have decided they need an abortion for reasons that are important to them and their lives.  Reasons that you know nothing about and that are truly none of your business.  Clinics or no - these women have decided to terminate their pregnancy.  Without the clinics, they resort to throwing themselves down a flight of stairs, having someone punch or kick them in the stomach or using a coat hanger to get the job done - horrifying methods that put the mother at risk of dying.  The accessibility of abortion clinics are saving the lives of women who might otherwise die by attempting to do-it-themselves...but you seem to place no value on the lives of these women - making you all hypocrites in my books.

The worst part of the whole abortion debate is that the activists who shout the loudest, the ones who would force their beliefs on strangers and make no exceptions for rape victims or women who are likely to die during childbirth are often very quick to grant themselves an exemption when an unplanned pregnancy occurs in their own family (daughter, niece, sister, etc...)