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abriden said:

For general work I just don't see the utility of Vision Pro over a physical keyboard and ergonomic workstation. For an immersive experience I commend Apple for what they appear to have achieved, but the fact remains that most of what we do does not require immersion. Vision Pro is not going to be a productivity platform at all, not in the way that iPad has become. I believe as advanced as it is, the novelty of the 'headset experience' is going to wear-off extremely quickly. The average user will either NEED or WANT to remove-and-replace the headset constantly throughout the day to interact with others, negotiate their environment and just gain relief from wearing it.

Just like with the iPad, you can use a physical keyboard, trackpad, etc. Just like with AirPods Pro transparency mode, you can interact with others and negotiate the environment. It remains to be seen if needing relief from wearing it is better or worse than needing relief from looking down at an iPad or iPhone screen. because of transparency. One reason Apple took so long to release Vision Pro is they needed displays to make visual transparency work as well as audio transparency.

iPad has 1 smallish screen big enough to run 1 or maybe 2 apps on an 8 to 13 inch screen. Vision Pro can run many apps at once, each with their own large display. Watch a movie on an iPad, say on an airplane, and you have an 8 to 13 inch screen to watch it on. Watch the same movie on Vision Pro and you have a full movie theater.  Same thing working or playing games on an airplane.

Travel is a big use case. You aren't going to bring your Mac's 27 or 35" displays when you travel. Anyone who doesn't program shouldn't need to bring their Mac when they travel. Anyone who does program can bring their MacBook and still have a large display like they use at home while traveling. And can mix the Mac display with apps running natively on Vision Pro. So things you leave running like messages, safari, etc, aren't competing for screen space on the single Mac screen. They are instead sitting beside the Mac screen. All in your hotel room.

eriamjh said:

I’m really not impressed with PCalc, OmniPlan, chat,  movie watching on VP, or any other app that just is gonna float in front of me on a. Ritual iPad.   I have an iPad for that.   

It’s a spatial computing device.   We need spatial computing apps (3D).   We need Iron Man’s UI for whatever the heck he does.   

New fangled 3D design app?  Video game environments that surround you?  

Something to take advantage of the huge surround canvas (or 180 degrees of it).   Apple said not to use the terms AR or VR to its developers, but why am I wearing goggles if I can’t get up and walk around something?

Without a new killer app, it will be essentially useless.   No one wants to relearn how to do the same thing on a different tool.   They want a new way to do something new.  

Home designer/ Interior decorator apps?   Just throwing ideas out.  I know nothing.   

Watching movies is a killer app. Vision Pro image and sound should rival going to the best movie theaters, including 3D movies. Some content that would be great in a movie theater isn't released in theaters. Other content you can only see in theaters if you go during a short window. Vision Pro can give you that experience from home any time for any content.

That said, it's a big mystery to me why Apple is completely downplaying or ignoring VR/Mixed reality gaming. To the point where I wonder if it even will allow apps like that. They show trailers of playing games on a virtual screen, but nothing where you are inside the game and your body is the controller.

Same thing with fitness. VR/AR is great for fitness. Fitness is big for Apple. But nothing for that in Vision Pro.

I did just see something that said Apple's full body tracking isn't finished. Which explains a lot. If true, it's really strange they couldn't get that working yet as long as they've been working on Vision Pro.

Anilu_777 said:

One of the many reasons I will never buy a Tesla. Having CarPlay available means I’m getting access to what I already pay for: Apple Music - plus messaging etc that I use many times a day while commuting. No CarPlay, no sale. 

There is no need for CarPlay on a Tesla. They have Apple Music as a native app, they have messaging through your phone that works as well as CarPlay. And they are the safest cars on the planet, including Autopilot/FSD. I personally will never own a car without FSD because driving with it is 4x safer than driving without it. One day in a Tesla and you'll understand it's the iPhone of cars while everyone else is still shipping flip phones. And on top of everything else, they are constantly pushing software updates to improve the car. Our 2019 car runs the latest software, has the latest features, latest safety improvements. We just installed a software update yesterday that brought functionality it didn't have before.

jimh2 said:

Thieves generally are not going to check for AirTags before robbing someone and most likely will not even know about the advice. By telling everyone about it they will know to look for one after stealing the jacket.

A better solution is not to have a $500-$2000 jacket at college in the DC or any crime ridden city. I'll also speculate that most could not afford to replace it if stolen.

Even if they don't know, their phone will tell them they have an AirTag being tracked near them.

loopless said:

Probably good to wait. The "heat" has gone out of the EV market. Many of the "early" adopters have bought one. Now the rest are saying, why would I pay more to put up with range anxiety and a crappy charging network that still can't charge a vehicle in anything close to the time to "gas" an ICE vehicle. A lot of EV's are sitting on lots.

Nonense. EVs are superior to gas cars and global EV market share is growing rapidly.

Would you own a phone you had to take to a store to charge ever week instead of charging in your house nightly?

Elon and Tesla are doing what Steve Jobs and Apple would have done with an Apple car if Steve were still around. Apple car is becoming increasingly pointless. Apple isn't going to solve self driving without the real world data Tesla has.