avon b7

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

corrections said:

avon b7 said:

Huawei says it abides by all laws where it operates. Logically those same laws exist to be used in case of necessity by any company operating in the territory. From there on it it up to the courts to decide the outcome.

Huawei is NOT China. It is a private company.

I suggest we simply wait and see what comes of this.

Everything you post here is total bullshit, but this really takes the cake.

A company that so clearly committed fraud to hide its violation of Iran sanctions that the US government--and Canada--risked international blowback to prosecute those crimes is suddenly innocent because some AI troll account has stood on a soapbox and announced that "it says it obeys the laws!"

Huawei is a project of Communist Party members. It's hard to see how one could extract this massive, barely profitable state enterprise from the PRC. It sure couldn't operate on its own. 

It's also well known that China is gunning at owning technology markets and will spare no expense to dump products at a loss until it owns the global means of production. that's been evident since the 90s.  

"Everything you post here is total bullshit, but this really takes the cake."

You are so illiterate that you compared the CCP to the Republican Party in an earlier post...not sure how you even came up with that comparison, but you seem unable to understand the concept that China has a SINGLE PARTY, the CCP, whereas the U.S. is a multiparty system.

Is there a difference?  They both march in lockstep to whatever their leaders tell them to do and say.

Yeah, the difference is that there are in fact choices that U.S. voters have. In China, that is not the case.

Get some new talking points.

Here's another link to Huawei's CFO predicament;

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-huawei-tech-insight/long-before-trumps-trade-war-with-china-huaweis-activities-were-secretly-tracked-idUSKCN1QN2A8

"In the years leading up to the Huawei indictment, U.S. officials had been capturing information that would influence the investigation when telecom executives passed through U.S. airports, according to a number of sources familiar with the Huawei and ZTE investigations and the Meng indictment. 

For example, Meng arrived in the United States via John F. Kennedy International Airport in early 2014. The indictment says investigators found “suggested talking points” on one of her electronic devices, stating among other things that Huawei’s relationship with Skycom was “normal business cooperation.” 

Meng had been pulled into a secondary screening at the airport that time as well, and her electronic devices were taken, according to one person familiar with the stop. After a couple of hours, the devices were returned and she was freed to go, the person said."

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/huawei-us-hacked-our-servers-stole-our-emails-and-source-code-2003874

You think that there might be incriminating evidence in those "hacks" that Huawei accuses the U.S. of, without evidence, mind you?

I'll throw this in; a short article on how Chinese Diplomats are coping under Xi's leadership:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-06/diplomatic-outbursts-mar-xi-s-plan-to-raise-china-on-world-stage

The fact that Trump has to fall back on his fake case against Iran and hold the daughter of Huawei's founder as a political prisoner, kind of exposes the fact that his allegations of spying are just Protectionist, Nationalist bull.

The U.S. has no 5G Telecom system production; how could we be "protectionist"?

You and Avon B7 don't really understand what that term means, as if you would be inclined to.

You appear ill informed about Meng Wanzhou, as if I and others haven't posted enough on that subject. 

Personally, I would like you and Avon B7 banned, but fortunately for you and him, I'm not the one making that decision.

You are just a common troll.

In the absence of any evidence to backup US security risk claims, protectionism is what US actions will be called.

Google it yourself and see how many articles come back.

I will go into a little detail.

AT&T has a working relationship with Huawei. AT&T spent over a year tuning the Kirin 970 to its network infrastructure to begin carrying the Mate 10 Pro handset. A formal announcement was planned for CES 2018.

After all the technical and logistical effort to reach that point, it is hard to imagine AT&T went back on the deal at the last minute on its own accord. It is widely reported that the US government simply pressured AT&T to back out. AT&T wasn't the only carrier willing to carry Huawei gear.

To this day AT&T continues to work with Huawei but outside the US. 

This is an example of protectionism.

The US not having any real influence in 5G is is really the whole issue (again, Google is your friend), I've provided links in other comments.

In the infrastructure realm, it is protectionism to prevent Huawei getting a foothold in the US market while the US frantically tries to catch-up. It is so 'out of the link' that it is already eyeing 6G and willing to depend on EU companies to handle the 5G era. Even if it means using  lesser tech paying more and taking longer.

Pure protectionism and pretty much confirmed by some unfortunate tweets by Donald Trump that were also picked up by the press and surely some foreign governments.

Perhaps we can call it extreme protectionism seeing that the US is taking its efforts on a world tour and not limiting its actions to home soil.

tmay said:

GeorgeBMac said:

hammeroftruth said:

It’s funny how many fandroids get very upset at the fact that they cannot buy Huawei devices here and scream that there is no proof about any allegations of espionage. 

The simple fact that the CIA and the NSA issued the warning isn’t good enough for them. I get not trusting some parts of our govt, but when the part that spies on other countries warns the American people that there is a real risk, I think we should listen. 

the simple fact that the warning was taken out of context and exploited for political purposes SHOULD upset you.

I already posted proof of Huawei spying in Poland, and in the infrastructure that Huawei provided for the African Union. More to the point, Western Intelligence agencies aren't going to provide details on whatever spying evidence that they find, so as not to indicate any National Technical Means, ie, how they obtained the data.

There is a Court that does handle such things in the U.S. overseen by a Judge, but even if Huawei was able to use that, they wouldn't be able to see the details of any findings that the Judge would see.

Proof?

I'm going to pick this out as you speak of other people posting misinformation.

This is an example of misinformation.

You said:

"I already posted proof...'

You didn't post proof. Proof doesn't exist yet in the first case and in the second, far less. You cited a LeMonde article on the AU case which cited anonymous sources and which Huawei and the Chinese government not only denied but basically called the claim preposterous.

I do not doubt that, to you, this constitutes 'proof' and I could pass on that (even if it isn't true) but if you want to make claims of misinformation you should be extra careful in what you write.

georgie01 said:

avon b7 said:

You should also understand why other countries resent being threatened on what to do with regards to their handling of 5G by the US. It is overreaching its power and this is seen as abuse. By extension you should also understand why Huawei is defending itself. 

What you seem to be suggesting here is worrisome. You appear to see the deployment of 5G as some sort of global human ‘right’ to the extent that if the US impedes Hauwei’s deployment of 5G technology in the US that the US is ‘overreaching its power’. You seem to perceive that the US is accountable to other nations for what those nations want to do in the US.

Globalism is a nice idea that is completely impossible—people of the world will never ever be able to agree on how to live and do business with a single voice. If globalism continues to be pursued it will only work temporarily through silencing and oppressing the opposition. And eventually it will fall by rebellion. The US as an individual country is already showing it may be too big to accommodate the perspectives of its people (as the left tries to pull the country in a continually new direction), and a return to more individual state rights would probably be a more healthy thing for the country. Globalism is the opposite of what the world needs right now.

What I am saying is crystal clear. The US can try to do what it feels necessary within its own borders but when it 'goes on tour' with the sole purpose of 'urging' other countries to follow suit with its ideas and then switches to threats (literally) when those countries ask for evidence of the claims, governments begin to get irritated as the US has been caught doing exactly what it is warning against.

Probably worse as the US got caught spying on its allies. Obama had to apologise to Merkel remember.

The irritation grows when you realise that security isn't even the big issue here.

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avon b7 said:

Huawei says it abides by all laws where it operates. Logically those same laws exist to be used in case of necessity by any company operating in the territory. From there on it it up to the courts to decide the outcome.

Huawei is NOT China. It is a private company.

I suggest we simply wait and see what comes of this.

Everything you post here is total bullshit, but this really takes the cake.

A company that so clearly committed fraud to hide its violation of Iran sanctions that the US government--and Canada--risked international blowback to prosecute those crimes is suddenly innocent because some AI troll account has stood on a soapbox and announced that "it says it obeys the laws!"

Huawei is a project of Communist Party members. It's hard to see how one could extract this massive, barely profitable state enterprise from the PRC. It sure couldn't operate on its own. 

It's also well known that China is gunning at owning technology markets and will spare no expense to dump products at a loss until it owns the global means of production. that's been evident since the 90s.  

Ah! So its a done deal in your view?

You already know the outcome of cases that haven't been heard. 

I suggest you come in, take a seat and at least listen to what the other side is (or is going to say) before calling others bullshitters or passing your own premature verdict.

There seems to be a lot you haven't read about and, in spite of your blustering, no real substantial evidence has yet to appear with regards to the legal proceedings that were filed yesterday.

StrangeDays said:

hammeroftruth said:

It’s funny how many fandroids get very upset at the fact that they cannot buy Huawei devices here and scream that there is no proof about any allegations of espionage. 

The simple fact that the CIA and the NSA issued the warning isn’t good enough for them. I get not trusting some parts of our govt, but when the part that spies on other countries warns the American people that there is a real risk, I think we should listen. 

Especially when it’s all the heads of six intelligence agencies, operating in unison.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/14/17011246/huawei-phones-safe-us-intelligence-chief-fears

The same agencies that said Russia meddled in the election and are no friends to the administration. Their findings were valid then, but now they aren’t — for the Chinese Cheer Squad, anyway. 

Cognitive dissonance, much?

I suggest you re-read the article you linked to and pay special attention to the quotes.

There is NOTHING but fear, worry, concern etc.

Nothing solid. ZERO.

Six intelligence agencies. SIX!

And all they came up with was 'we recommend people don't use Huawei equipment' - just in case!

If they had anything they would ban Huawei phones outright. That hasn't happened and everyone knows why.