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gatorguy said:

patsu said:

gatorguy said:

patsu said:

gatorguy said:

adamc said:

gatorguy said:

cali said:

Fatman said:

Forget the exploding batteries it's the security or lack thereof of the Android platform that should worry Samsung users. My parents bought phones (didn't want to spend more for iPhones) Their credit card and bank accounts were hacked a month later due to an app that relayed info to a third party. Still dealing with the repercussions ...

Did you explain to them it was due to their android?

Unless his parents did something dodgy, and went out of their way to change default security settings and ignore multiple warnings not to do so, I'd suggest it didn't happen like he thinks it did. I think he's made a false assumption. 

Wow from your assumption I can safely assumed his parents are geeks and no ordinary users.
Wow and wow and how many patents are that smart.

If a dodgy unapproved app got them apparently not very. 

Google Play store have rogue apps too. There have been multiple reports on this. Google for them.

Apple's App Store has too. Not anything that steals banking information as far as I know which is what the OP complained about. 

Yes but far fewer incidents. And those were attacked from OS X SDK. 

A lot of Android security features are bullet points. They are not comparable to iOS security. ASLR, encryption are much weaker on Android.

Are you hoping for an argument? You'll not get one from me.

Yes, Apple's default security is better than Android's in some ways, but that does not equate to Android security being bad just because Apple's might be better. Nor does it change anything about the OP likely making the wrong assumption about where his parent's thieving malware came from. Highly unlikely it came from a Google Play app. No, I'd still guess it came via an email phishing spoof. 

It can come from a google play app because we just agreed rogue apps are there too. There have been reports on rogue apps in the official stores. The vendors will do their part to defend the integrity of the ecosystem but it is still possible to penetrate them if the system has exploitable holes.

Users have to keep their eyes open regardless.

gatorguy said:

patsu said:

gatorguy said:

adamc said:

gatorguy said:

cali said:

Fatman said:

Forget the exploding batteries it's the security or lack thereof of the Android platform that should worry Samsung users. My parents bought phones (didn't want to spend more for iPhones) Their credit card and bank accounts were hacked a month later due to an app that relayed info to a third party. Still dealing with the repercussions ...

Did you explain to them it was due to their android?

Unless his parents did something dodgy, and went out of their way to change default security settings and ignore multiple warnings not to do so, I'd suggest it didn't happen like he thinks it did. I think he's made a false assumption. 

Wow from your assumption I can safely assumed his parents are geeks and no ordinary users.
Wow and wow and how many patents are that smart.

If a dodgy unapproved app got them apparently not very. 

Google Play store have rogue apps too. There have been multiple reports on this. Google for them.

Apple's App Store has too. Not anything that steals banking information as far as I know which is what the OP complained about. 

Yes but far fewer incidents. And those were attacked from OS X SDK. 

A lot of Android security features are bullet points. They are not comparable to iOS security. ASLR, encryption are much weaker on Android.

gatorguy said:

adamc said:

gatorguy said:

cali said:

Fatman said:

Forget the exploding batteries it's the security or lack thereof of the Android platform that should worry Samsung users. My parents bought phones (didn't want to spend more for iPhones) Their credit card and bank accounts were hacked a month later due to an app that relayed info to a third party. Still dealing with the repercussions ...

Did you explain to them it was due to their android?

Unless his parents did something dodgy, and went out of their way to change default security settings and ignore multiple warnings not to do so, I'd suggest it didn't happen like he thinks it did. I think he's made a false assumption. 

Wow from your assumption I can safely assumed his parents are geeks and no ordinary users.
Wow and wow and how many patents are that smart.

If a dodgy unapproved app got them apparently not very. 

Google Play store have rogue apps too. There have been multiple reports on this. Google for them.

Wait for the numbers from the manufacturers. 

Samsung also offered free S8 for folks who bought Note 7. That's not how you measure loyalty.
In MBA schools, the proper way is to determine brand loyalty without incentives. 
The NPD people may not know what they are talking about. They tally channel sales numbers. I was in their business (not NPD though) for 2 years.

Anecdotally, in my own circle of friends, this year shows the most number of switchers. Not just lay people on the streets. Savvy high tech workers, Android enthusiasts decided that they have had enough and bought an iPhone for a change. I was surprised myself. First they complained on their FB pages about different UI features on iPhone, more folks chimed in and revealed that they got used to iOS after 2-3 days. ^_^

In some cases, the users themselves wanted to save money and stayed on an old Samsung phone, but their hubbies bought an iPhone for them for safety reasons.

In some of these families, they are now completely iOS to simplify sharing and integration between family members, or being able to share better with their iPads. It's not just the special features that sell phones. Day to day usage can make a difference too.

EDIT:
I also have friends who are diehard Samsung supporters. They ding everything Apple proactively whenever they got a chance. Sometimes when I showed them how it's done, they immediately got demoralized. It's a sad affair. Don't be like them.

Nah, Apple should correct bad numbers as they see fit. New folks continue to join the industry. They should learn the track records of market research firms and analysts.

IDC has always have poor forecasts. Maybe their pro-Windows stance colored their numbers. Most infamous is their grotesquely high multi-year windows phone prediction.