holmstockd

sdw2001 said:

Great.  Now Apple will have to put a "Do Not Bite" sticker on my phone.  

LOL but the LOGO has a bite taken out of it! 

tmay said:

CheeseFreeze said:

This reminds me of the Volkswagen scandal where cars faked their pollution output when being tested.

In case of Apple it’s of course not as bad AT ALL, but what both cases share is the fact  someone finds out something that has been ‘hidden’ in software and now is ‘exposed’ to the public.
Once that happens, you as a manufacturer are screwed regardless of it being to protect the consumer’s devices (Apple) or polluting the environment and screwing over customers (Volkswagen).
Apple is in the wrong and they know it. They should have added it in their terms of use and expose this in the settings. If people would have known before they shouldn’t have added a setting where you can turn off something that makes perfectly sense to have built in iOS without it being exposed as a setting. But it’s too late now.

The funny thing is, besides a few middle managers getting sacrificed, and some billions paid in fines, buying cars back and what not, and of course, the fact that many other manufacturers were doing the very same thing, Volkswagen sales have been very good. One would actually think that shifting a large number of diesel cars from the first world to the 3rd world, was pretty impressive, especially since the Eurozone is down on diesel now. All of those cars had to be replaced, and lots of owners went right back to Volkswagen for the replacement.

Me, I actually think that Apple will come out pretty well on this, and with a enlarged user base (those battery upgraded devices will likely find new life in someone else's hands), but there will be a small, for Apple, financial hit at some point. Think the other device makers will be able to dodge battery issues from here on? I don't.

Having personally worked on the Volkswagen Litigation, the reason 99% of the people returned to Volkswagen or rather accepted the settlement is that they MADE IT RIGHT by buying back above KBB the car from the user or offered  some cash compensation with a designed FIX and most people either went back to either buy a new model or leave. If the same principles apply here will Apple buy back a defectively designed phone? (AND NO MORE CRAP ABOUT HOW A BATTERY IS EXPECTED DIE AFTER A YEAR) this is simply a design defect.   What Apple has done so far to compare to Volkswagen is admit they altered the software to cut its current capable device power and offer at cost to the user the FIX where as Volkswagen offered to Software fix everyone's car absolutely free. Volkswagen did what it could to win back lost trust. Apple here still looks bad, and it left a sour taste in peoples mouths. So although the loyal apologists will always hang on to the worshiped brand (i.e. Apple, Coke-a-Cola, Disney, etc) the other consumer who loves the device has now lost trust. That will remain to be seen down the road. IMHO.

When it comes to competition and allowing Carplay / Android - as finally Toyota gets it... All i got for BMW is:

applesnoranges said:

holmstockd said:

I missed my 2009 Airport Extreme base station. I loved it - best router i used. I live in a traditional 2 story subdivision, and this was an impressive router. 

When I got FIOS Internet i was so happy, but when the TV service finally was offered with the Internet back in 2010, I had to scrap this router because of the requirement of Verizon's crappy actiontec for TV Guide updates. I sold that Apple router and moved on.

6 years later when I finally DITCHED the FIOS TV part, Apple sadly has not made any improvements to the router and was really hoping they could have been first with a very good MESH based system. Sadly again they have not, and with reading somewhere they dispersed the Airport team I moved to buy the Google WIFI MESH system, I am impressed and love it. I would have preferred an Apple solution, but i guess its not a big enough market for them to want to cater too. 

Edit: Spelling and grammer

I would think the incentive to bring out refreshed Apple routers is to enhance the security and interoperability of the entire Apple ecosystem...

More honestly I would have thought with the massive ecosystem of devices, that this system would compliment a household of many apple devices. However having said that I am sure Apple sees that most broadband consumers use the equipment from the ISP provider, so it would be a harder market to crack into. 

They made an impressive simple device, what I USE TO LOVE about Apple so maybe its for the better, better to retire a product that was stellar then comeback with something thats crap. 

I missed my 2009 Airport Extreme base station. I loved it - best router i used. I live in a traditional 2 story subdivision, and this was an impressive router. 

When I got FIOS Internet i was so happy, but when the TV service finally was offered with the Internet back in 2010, I had to scrap this router because of the requirement of Verizon's crappy actiontec for TV Guide updates. I sold that Apple router and moved on.

6 years later when I finally DITCHED the FIOS TV part, Apple sadly has not made any improvements to the router and was really hoping they could have been first with a very good MESH based system. Sadly again they have not, and with reading somewhere they dispersed the Airport team I moved to buy the Google WIFI MESH system, I am impressed and love it. I would have preferred an Apple solution, but i guess its not a big enough market for them to want to cater too. 

Edit: Spelling and grammer