melgross

jellybelly said:

melgross said:

…I’ve got a bunch of TB 3 and 4 cables gathered over the years. I’ve got three TB docks and what’s the point unless you can use them at full speed? But a regular cable likely costs Apple around $5-7, while a TB 4 cable might cost them around $15-20. That may not seem like much, but remember that a product sells for around 2.5 to 3.5 times the part cost. So that would be a big difference to the consumer who likely doesn’t need it and would throw it in their pile of other USB C cables and just pull a random cable out to use.

so, if we’ll need the speed, we’ll just buy it. I mean, if we’ve spent all that money for the higher end phone to do photos and video, another $50, or so, won’t be a bother.

I agree.  I have existing TB3 cables.  

A serious problem is the lack of any labeling of capicity on USB3 cables OR ports ( on hubs an on computers).  

For now, pulling a “random cable from a pile” is a crap shoot and could make serious difference in performance that’ll have most scratching their heads.  
I’ve seen some ports on a few hubs that label as 5GBs or 10GBs for USB3  port speed (simple as small font 5 or 10) and that is so important.   I wish there was room for more obvious (larger) labeling AND that cables were also labeled if they are not universal — and apparently they are not (especially in power delivery let alone speed). USB-C is a blessing and a curse-ed big mess.  

Labeling would solve the mess, because I do like the physical coupling design and if labeled, I can choose to use an available cable to my needs.  Cables should also be labeled for Thunderbolt (TB) capability and power transmission capability. 
A similar problem is Thunderbolt ports not revealing if they are sharing a Thunderbolt bus or if they have own dedicated chipset.  Eg. On a MBP with 4 TB ports only, if each side (left and right), each with two TB ports) is sharing a TB bus, most people don’t have the knowledge that the maximum devices to connect is six per bus connection (as in six connections per left and right ports).  Usually three per port.  And lack of knowledge that if all three connections are in active use that it divides the throughput—so labels could help, or onscreen notifications.  
I don’t mind if a data drive and it’s backup are on same bus as I am only using data drive during normal use.  And when backing up, it’s usually when a ‘minor’ speed difference doesn’t matter—both because the backup is incremental and it’s when I am not at the computer. Plus unknown to many is that Thunderbolt does negotiations between attached devices sand lessens CPU involvement. Cool fact eh?
Soooo, regarding labeling I say Geeeeesh!  At least dear Apple and third parties: label cables and ports—please, pretty please? 

I agree. tB cables do have the Thunderbolt graphic on the connectors though, but don’t always say 3 or 4. I write that on them. At least all of mine do. But USB has been a real pain over the years going back to the beginning. Then, confusion was deliberate as manufactures who had USB 1.1 ports didn’t want people to know that. So when the new naming between USB 1.1 and USB 2 came out, the names were designed so that people couldn’t tell, without already knowing, whether Hi Speed cables (or ports) were faster or slower than Fast cables. I ended up labeling all of my USB cables, otherwise I had no idea what they were. Then we got charging cables. Some don’t pass any data, others are only USB 1.1 while others are USB 2 speed.

honestly, I’ve never seen the point to all of this.

I’ve got a bunch of TB 3 and 4 cables gathered over the years. I’ve got three TB docks and what’s the point unless you can use them at full speed? But a regular cable likely costs Apple around $5-7, while a TB 4 cable might cost them around $15-20. That may not seem like much, but remember that a product sells for around 2.5 to 3.5 times the part cost. So that would be a big difference to the consumer who likely doesn’t need it and would throw it in their pile of other USB C cables and just pull a random cable out to use.

so, if we’ll need the speed, we’ll just buy it. I mean, if we’ve spent all that money for the higher end phone to do photos and video, another $50, or so, won’t be a bother.

waveparticle said:

melgross said:

waveparticle said:

melgross said:

waveparticle said:

"There's been a decoupling between what's happening in the economy and consumers buying phones," 

The decoupling is caused by US government trying to decouple China from the world. 

No, not really. If anything, it’s China that’s been doing that by their actions. At any rate, it’s the worldwide high inflation rate that’s been at the center of all of this. But anaerobic e sales, as you can see from the chart gave been dropping for years. A major reason given is that the worldwide market is saturated. People are go,ding on to phones, tablets, comluters, etc. for a longer time.

No! The fact of the truth is the decoupling started when Huawei is being totally banned by US. 

No, it started because Huawei is well known to be very close to the communist party in China and has had dubious security coupling to it. I know at least one person here who panics whenever that’s said, but it’s true nevertheless. Additionally, when China began to occupy islands and atolls in the pacific claimed by other countries and began building naval bases there, that didn’t help. Neither has the expanded rhetoric over Taiwan. Oh, I’m sure I missed a number of other things. 

Your history is a failure. Philippine and Vietnam were not countries. They were occupied by US and France. And US and France agree that South Chines Sea belongs to China. You cannot use proximity of the islands to decide who owns then. History decides just like Falkland Islands. With regards you should realize that you only have suspicions not facts. Huawei is a Chinese company. Of course it has ties to Chinese government. You cannot separate Chinese government from CCP. Furthermore, Microsoft and Google and all other US companies are close to US government. Your accusation is menaingless. 

Very strange unerstanding of the world. I doubt very much that anyone would agree that the Philippines and Vietnam are not countries. The rest is just nonsense. You and Avon should room together.

I’m hoping I’ll be lucky enough to be able to buy one of these when it first comes out. I’ll have my finger right in the buy now button. But likely there won’t be enough to go around and there will be others who tapped a small fraction of a second before me. Oh well, we’ll see.

ive tried some high end industrial models. They all cost a lot more than this one. They’re pretty good, but are tethered to a computer. I’ve did spit some problems with them such as resolution that was almost, but not quite high enough. Field of view that was adequate, but not great. Some stuttering, etc. all were notably heavier than a pound. But I really don’t consider weight to be a major issue as long as it’s not over two pounds. I had a couple of dual eye infra red head units for our darkrooms. These weighed slightly over two pounds, also with batteries in the pocket, or on a waistband. The batteries being extra weight and lasting about an hour.  Most of that weight was forward of your face. Not very comfortable, but you get used to it. There are lots of head mounted equipment in use in various industries that are worn for hours at a time that are heavy. They’re necessary to use, and again, you get used to it. Some competitors are listed at about one and a quarter to one and a half pounds. If the AVP is really a pound, that a lot lighter.

waveparticle said:

"There's been a decoupling between what's happening in the economy and consumers buying phones," 

The decoupling is caused by US government trying to decouple China from the world. 

No, not really. If anything, it’s China that’s been doing that by their actions. At any rate, it’s the worldwide high inflation rate that’s been at the center of all of this. But anaerobic e sales, as you can see from the chart gave been dropping for years. A major reason given is that the worldwide market is saturated. People are go,ding on to phones, tablets, comluters, etc. for a longer time.