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They're simply terrified over what will become the FIRST ruling in this area: that of Judge Orenstein on the Jun Feng case in Brooklyn where, Apple was going to cooperate and it was The Judge, that stepped in and asked for Apple's input as to why. Reportedly he's a long time skeptic over government intrusion and views the All Writs Act of 1789 as a lot less applicable to smartphones than the government would like. The telecommunications link being that of an old landline case where what was accessed were standard telephone records IIRC.

bikeboatski said:

Younger people weren't around much before the age of cell phones and can't realize that when landlines were the only option, the government really didn't spy on people to any large extent, and then not usually without good reason. For the most part cops have there hands, and time, full with enforcement issues. And people had real lives, apart from their friggin' phones!  They had other things to do!  Youngsters are too paranoid in this.  Don't believe me and still too scared?  Just don't run your mouth on the phone and stick to in-person conversations.  You'll be fine.  They're the best kind anyway!

And yet the precise precedent the FBI is leaning on comes directly from a landline phone case in 1977.

And a "good reason" was anything J. Edgar Hoover thought it was.

holycow said:

I don't see why Apple couldn't create a "backdoor" and give only Congress to control the "random key".  
This way the FBI can never abuse it, and mandates that whenever the FBI needs to break in, Congress would have to hold an immediate voting session to allow it or not.
Serious matters like the San Berdinal case, the gov't has every right to acquire the data in order to protect the citizens. 
Apple could apply this same principle in other countries where the devices are being sold, and never have worry of its responsibility.

We all know that if you, as the device owner, don't do anything "stupid" or illegal, then you should never have to worry about gov'ts intrusion.

Apple is against it now is all about marketing gimmicks!  
It is only software based, so it can be easily done.

CONGRESS? That bunch of political hookers that sell out to the highest bidder on a daily basis and "leak" like a sieve?

Oh and apart from that there's that pesky Constitution whereby law enforcement power is most certainly NOT in the "legislative" branch... for good reason.

Oh and screw government "intrusion" I don't want some casual crook who steals my phone given unlimited access to my brokerage account, my bank account, my credit card account or my insurance accounts by some software he bought off the dark web that had been "lost" by Congress. You may but I do not.

Hey and speaking of Law Enforcement: what happened to their screeching demands that Apple provide a mandated "kill switch" precisely so phones out of the control of the user would be totally and completely useless? Phones bricked by that demanded kill switch wouldn't be hackable by anyone, white hat or black. Morons.

sog35 said:

photoshop59 said:

what do you think cook would say if there were an iPhone that had information on it regarding an armed terrorist attack on their headquarters?

How would they know the phone had this information if they could not unlock it?

Stop making up ridiculous scenerios to support your ludicruious opinions. 

Especially when this WORK PHONE was left intact when the murderers were so careful to crush their two private phones and dispose of their computer hard drive where the FBI hasn't even been able to find it.

RickD0514 said:

Since when does a company or person get to say "no" to the government just because they disagree with the request?
Apparently Apple thinks they are above the law and that their business proposition is more valuable than other people's lives.  Throw Cook in jail for his refusal to comply ... and also for good measure, for being self-absorbed and narcissistic.

The application of law includes appeals up the judicial chain and there are judges that are also skeptical the 200 years old act even applies to this issue of smartphone hacking by private companies at the governments direction.

Rule of law and due process is what this nation is about, not heavy breathing emotionalism such as what you're displaying.