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iOS app porting won't make Mac feel like iPhone, Apple's Federighi says
And that’s not really much of an argument considering that if a MacBook had a touchscreen, it would also be optional. Customers could continue to use the Mac as they always have ignoring the touch screen feature. And just like the keyboard (and pencil) is an optional, additional purchase accessory for the iPad; so too would a touch screen be an additional option purchase for a Mac. I really don’t see the difference.cgWerks said:
Oh, maybe I see what you're saying now. Why is it bad ergonomics to touch a laptop screen, but not touch an iPad screen (when using with a keyboard)?danvm said:
Maybe you don't have the Smart Keyboard, but others do. Even Apple start to push the iPad Pro + Smart Keyboard as desktop replacements, even though the ergonomic issues that Federighi mention, that are in line with what Jobs said many years ago. So, why it's bad in the Mac and good in the iPad?
Good point... they aren't any different. It's bad ergonomics either way, and with an iPad, you don't even have the option of mouse/trackpad input.
The only argument is that it's optional, so you don't have to use an iPad like that... but yes, Apple is pushing it.
Apple is pushing the iPad Pro as a computer replacement, not merely offering up an optional keyboard, but marketing commercials with customers using them, and asking “what’s a computer?” Now Apple is saying that same configuration is ergonomically fatiguing to use on the Mac. So why not simply give the customers the option? When they configure their MacBook on the Apple Store, they can choose a standard display or a touchscreen, and then use it, or not, as they see fit.
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macOS Mojave will drop support for some older Macs released before 2012
If that’s true, then my company will likely push us all up to Sierra, assuming Apple still allows that. Hopefully they’ve totally vetted it with the network and it won’t be a nightmare of conflicts.taugust04_ai said:
Yosemite is no longer receiving updates, since High Sierra was released. El Capitan will stop receiving updates when Mojave is released, unless Apple changes the support policy that has been in place for the last decade or so...sennen said:
ElCap is still getting security updates, and even Yosemite as far as I know, so you'll have a few years of support on Sierra and High Sierra left yet.ivanh said:
Not just Mini 2011. The best MacBook Pro I’ve used is MBP Early 2011.fallenjt said:Damn, my Mini 2011 won’t make the cut...:(. I can’t believe I’ve used a this Mac Mini for 7 years and it still works great!
Apple should continue releasing security patches of macOS High Sierra, or the last upgrade versions for older intel-based Macs.
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iOS app porting won't make Mac feel like iPhone, Apple's Federighi says
cgWerks said:
Yes, I hear what you are saying, though I'd maybe word it a bit differently. We've trained ourselves to become less efficient by confusing contexts. It might feel more natural to reach up for the screen due to our mobile use, but it isn't more efficient (yes, more efficient for that particular person in that situation because they don't know better).
I really can’t agree that a person touching a display screen to manipulate the content seems easier because they don’t know any better, in all cases. I’ve been that person and there are situations where it actually is easier. When a dialogue box pops up on the screen and my hands are mid type, lifting my hand up and pressing the big button in the dialogue box on the screen to dismiss it is far easier than finding my mouse, finding the cursor, navigating to the button, clicking on it, then moving the cursor back to document location where I was typing, inserting it, and moving my hands back to the keyboard to resume typing. It’s even worse if I need to move the dialogue box out of the way to continue doing what I was doing until I could acknowledge it. And that’s just one simple example. I’ve wanted to touch the screen for things like that since 1994 when I got my first MacBook.
I agree that there are many cases where it’s easier to just grab the mouse, and yet more where it’s 50/50 depending on the person. But the point remains that depending on the software, the UI, the dexterity of the user, and the task at hand, what’s easier is relative.
What will happen if we ever get to the MINORITY REPORT level technology where were manipulating the UI by waving our hands in thin air? The idea of restricting the technology a user can employ just doesn’t make sense to me, if any one technology makes any part of the process easier when used together..
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Apple to let developers port iOS apps to Mac, starts with own apps in macOS Mojave
I would tend to agree. If the iOS apps still look like iOS apps, but they incorporate the mouse, which is the only way to navigate the app now that there's no touch screen on the Mac, that it will quickly become obvious whether mouse support would aid or hinder the navigation of apps on iOS. Those that have been clamoring for mouse support on iOS will essentially have a bullet proof way to confirm their claims, while Mac users will likely see these app interfaces as greatly over simplified and in need of touch screens.GeorgeBMac said:iOS apps being ported to MacOS and using cursor input? Hmmm...To all those Mac Bigots whining about the possibility of an iPad with cursor input: We Just Moved One Step Closer.... Don't look back: It's coming up fast!
Even now, I'm so used to touch based interfaces, that I instinctively reach out to touch my Mac display, where such action is just more intuitive than locating the cursor to make the interaction. Likewise, I routinely start looking for my Mac whenever I want to do any serious typing on my iPad, or need a mouse for fine manipulation of a webpage, or otherwise. The Pencil makes some of those tasks easier on the iPad now, but for most I go looking for a Mac. If my iPad supported a mouse, I'd be inclined to use it for more things than I do at the moment.
Porting iOS apps into the Mac environment is really going to blur the rules Apple has been trying to contain for each device, and finally force their hand.
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macOS Mojave will drop support for some older Macs released before 2012
My company has almost 10,000 employees worldwide. The number one priority is maintaining the stability of the network as with most corporate IT departments. That’s why companies ran XT until Microsoft said enough. They typically don’t buy new Mac hardware that won’t support the required minimums (and given the unsold Macs in the supply chain for many months after a model is discontinued, that’s not hard to do). Since Apple supports security updates for many years, unlike iOS, that’s not really an issue, or hasn’t been. If something happens to my Mac, they replace it with an identical model, while it’s being repaired. If an employee requires a new Mac for some specialized purpose, it is usually only allowed to connect to the network in a limited fashion, if at all, and requires significant approvals. Standard issue Macs all meet minimum requirements (and I suspect they overbought With bulk discounts to serve as backups and new hires under one capital depreciation purchase). The timeline for advancement could accelerate given how quickly IT is able to asses a new OS stability and compatibility with the network, but there’s no world in which they will need to run Mojave.neilm said:
Wow, that's incredibly shortsighted of them. Whoever implemented that policy should be fired on security grounds alone.mac_128 said:
Heck my company forces the Macs to run on El Capitan, despite being able to run High Sierra, and this will likely continue until their next scheduled replacement in 5 years.macxpress said:And its not like your Mac just stops working just because you're not using Apple's latest version of macOS. You can still easily use your Mac with High Sierra for at least 2-3yrs if you choose to do so.
What do they do about replacements for failed units, or new Macs for new positions? Those are going to come with High Sierra, and most won't work — one exception is the Mac Mini, which of course isn't what you'd call "new" — with El Cap.
This seems like standard practice for most major, non-tech, corporations to me.
