thedba

CloudTalkin said:

thedba said:

CloudTalkin said:

thedba said:

CloudTalkin said:

thedba said:

AppleInsider said:

In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.

The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.

Any links as to why Apple chose not to include pro motion into the iPhone 12? 

As for the irrelevant factoid comment, I disagree when sites like the Verge, amongst many, tell us about the beautiful displays that Samsung (and some others) put on their phones/tablets while Apple is still using boring LCD or more recently boring 60Hz OLED panels.
Fact remains, if Apple cannot secure tens of millions of certain component for their new iPhones, then that technology is simply not going in and will have to wait for at least a year. 

There may be other reasons too and do share if you have them.

I have no idea why Apple didn't put LTPO panels in the 12 series, but it wasn't due to an inability to secure panels.  Samsung had the capacity.  Pure supposition: Samsung could have required too high of a minimum order guarantee for the LTPO panels.  Apple has already had to pay Samsung twice for missing order minimums on the regular panels.  Starting fresh on the 13 series might make the minimums more palatable.  Who knows.  

You're conflating sites reporting about Samsung phones with info about Samsung panels.  Panels looking good and panel manufacturing are not the same thing.  SDI makes the panels for Samsung and Apple.  Whether Samsung Electronics sells more phones is irrelevant with regards to the panel manufacturing discussed in the article.  Again, it's simply unnecessary fanboyism.

Asking questions isn’t fanboyism. 

Here’s a link to one YouTuber’s analysis stating amongst several possible reasons, supply (others being price, battery life, etc.)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pb-CGAkRrkM
Rene Ritchie also talked about it in one of his videos.

You say you don’t know but then state with certainty that Samsung Display had the capacity. 

So where’s your link asserting that SDI had the capacity but Apple didn’t want to for other reasons?

Bud, you didn't ask a question.  You made declarative statements.  1. You said Apple didn't use LTPO because of their staggering numbers.  2.  You went all fanboy talking about someone saying Samsung sells more phones.  Totally unrelated to panel manufacturing.  Nary a question to be found.  

Samsung's capacity is my opinion.  Anecdotally, if they had a pane shortage, it would have been in the news... a lot too since rumors were flying hot and heavy about the 12 receiving LTPO panels.  Even after the 12 didn't get the panels, there was never rumor regarding a shortage of them.  Is that 100% confirmation?  Nope, but I can't ever recall SDI being in a panel deficit.  I've never heard of them not being able to deliver on panels either. Make of that what you will.

CloudTalkin said:

thedba said:

CloudTalkin said:

thedba said:

AppleInsider said:

In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.

The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.

Any links as to why Apple chose not to include pro motion into the iPhone 12? 

As for the irrelevant factoid comment, I disagree when sites like the Verge, amongst many, tell us about the beautiful displays that Samsung (and some others) put on their phones/tablets while Apple is still using boring LCD or more recently boring 60Hz OLED panels.
Fact remains, if Apple cannot secure tens of millions of certain component for their new iPhones, then that technology is simply not going in and will have to wait for at least a year. 

There may be other reasons too and do share if you have them.

I have no idea why Apple didn't put LTPO panels in the 12 series, but it wasn't due to an inability to secure panels.  Samsung had the capacity.  Pure supposition: Samsung could have required too high of a minimum order guarantee for the LTPO panels.  Apple has already had to pay Samsung twice for missing order minimums on the regular panels.  Starting fresh on the 13 series might make the minimums more palatable.  Who knows.  

You're conflating sites reporting about Samsung phones with info about Samsung panels.  Panels looking good and panel manufacturing are not the same thing.  SDI makes the panels for Samsung and Apple.  Whether Samsung Electronics sells more phones is irrelevant with regards to the panel manufacturing discussed in the article.  Again, it's simply unnecessary fanboyism.

CloudTalkin said:

thedba said:

AppleInsider said:

In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.

Those numbers are just mind blowing. 
This is one reason why Apple could not put Pro motion in the iPhone 12 Pro. The sheer numbers required by Apple to put into their flagship devices is just staggering.
Before someone says "Yeah, but Samsung sells more phones",  I don't think they sell as many brand new flagship devices as Apple.

The numbers are impressive.  Apple sells a lot of phones.  The volume of phones is not a reason that Apple didn't put high refresh panels in the 12 Pro.  Samsung had the capability to provide the panels for the 12 Pro/Max.  Apple chose not to put the panel in the 12's.  Whatever their reasoning, it wasn't due to lack of capacity.  

Why would anyone mention Samsung selling more phones?  It would be an irrelevant factoid.  Samsung Display makes panels, not phones.  Don't let petty fanboyism color your commentary.

Zeebler said:

jcc said:

I would find it very difficult to believe that Ive had anything to do with this piece of turd. It’s so fugly that a first year industrial design student wouldn’t design this.

As an industrial designer of sorts myself - bang on!
There are so many flaws, I’m shocked this is actually an Apple product. 

Let’s hope they don’t botch the real iMac’s. 

AppleInsider said:

In terms of shipment numbers, Samsung is thought to be producing 80 million units of the display for the new iPhone, with between 120 million and 130 million total OLED panels anticipated to ship to Apple in 2021. For LG, it is apparently aiming for 30 million units for the "iPhone 13," and a total of 50 million overall for the year.