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gc_uk said:You make a fair case for consumer freedom. But you don't realize that corporations also have freedom to not be required to provide the software and services to allow for third party app stores. How would you like it if you sold lemonade on your street and were told by the government that you had to sell your neighbor's lemonade and give the profits of that lemonade to your neighbor? Apple works very hard and deserves the right to not have to share its app store profit with its competitors.
Google has no problem with alt-stores. Why is Apple special?
Epic tried it on Android and it DID NO WORK……their store flopped badly.
Does nothing the problem is Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, and Adobe squatting within iOS, and Mac OS giving away programs with Apple favoring them for money. small to medium sized developers are crushed and that includes Apple the day that Pages, Keynote, and Numbers became free crushed many long time developers.
The AppStore is a complete mess for finding programs, more apps isn’t necessary better, the curation of apps is terrible, note this also applies to Apple Music.
john gibson said:john gibson said:If Apple was forced to compete for payment processing and as a result were only making as much as say Stripe was instead of 30% that would surely be a short term hit but all the additional commerce they would earn by digital content that can't be sold on iOS today would make up a good chunk of that.
Do you want Apple to start charging for all those free services when it loses its 30% exclusive fee? Here are a few examples:
- Do you want Apple to add a $1 processing fee for every "free" app that's available on the App Store?
- Do you want Apple to charge developers for its free tools such as Swift and xCode?
- Do you want Apple to charge each developer for each free API that is used by any app that they develop?
- Do you want Apple to charge end users each time their app accesses one of the currently free iCloud servers?
- Do you want Apple to charge developers a processing each time there is an update to their app?
All these free services, and dozens more, are funded through that 30% cut. If you want to reduce that 30% cut to 3%, then tell me where Apple will raise the prices to cover the $60 billion per year loss. Frankly, I don't mind if Apple choses to eliminate the 30% fee and start charging everywhere else.
The difference between how to treat digital content and apps should be self-evident but if you don't see the difference take an example of digital content and think through what Apple says it provides for the 30% and tell me how it applies. They don't provide discovery - individual eBook titles aren't advertised, searchable SKUs in the App Store. Apple doesn't provide storage - unlike apps the developer handles that. Apple doesn't provide distribution - unlike apps the developer handles that. They don't provide the developer tools to create the digital content file. So tell me, for an eBook, other than payment processing what specifically does that 30% cover?
To address your questions - no, I don't think a processing fee is needed for free apps. But a question the judge had is a good one. Using the eBook example again - why is the provider of the eBook subsidizing billion dollar corporations like Facebook?
Apple does charge developers. $99 a year.
As for APIs and iCloud - no I don't think developers should pay for that - there is no need for Apple to double dip. Those kinds of services are more than covered by the 30-40% margins on iOS hardware devices no different than how they are on Macs which do just fine with alternatives to using the App Store and paying 30%.
If the end result was Apple lost the 30% on digital content and consumers getting a much better result led to their margins on the App Store going from 70% to say 40-50% why would you consider that a bad outcome?
The actual cost per developer for all the goodies Apple provides is probably closer to 2 to 3 thousand dollars per year on the open market and not the stupidly low 99 dollars per year. All those place holder Apps within the AppStore would be gone if Apple charged the true rate.
gilly33 said:williamh said:A lot of people here are inferring that a hostile question from a judge means that the judge's decision will reflect her questions. This is a presumptuous belief. Many judges ask difficult questions so that their opinions, which are going to be favourable to the person being spoken to, have all the possible angles covered. I learned this from reading the US Supreme Court transcripts.
Or maybe she's an idiot judge. Both explanations are possible.
Remember Java? Google copied the parts needed to make Android work sooner (Google was on a deadline) and got away with it. Apples lawyers aren’t as good as some of other tech companies Google, Qualcomm and Samsung have had better lawyers by far in the big cases.
80s_Apple_Guy said:The hole I see that may cost Apple this car is that free apps are serviced for nothing. That kind of negates Apple’s contention it needs to get a cut to support the work it does. I don’t agree with this, but Apple’s is arguing as if they have to justify their fees. They shouldn’t have to at all.