tmay

About

Username
tmay
Joined
Visits
372
Last Active
Roles
member
Points
5,352
Badges
2
Posts
3,844
  • YouTuber reveals 'iPhone 11' models, claims few changes

    crowley said:

    crowley said:
    crowley said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    iOS_Guy80 said:
    crowley said:
    iOS_Guy80 said:
    crowley said:
    It used to be that Apple made things that looked better from the back than their competitors looked from the front.  I really hope they've got something special in the works for 2020, because that bump is grotesque.
    Really. When you use your phone what side do you look at? What side matters the most? When was the last time you looked at the back of your phone? Does it really matter why it looks like. What matters is that IT JUST WORKS.
    WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

    It's ok that aesthetics don't matter to you.  Other people think differently.  I like for things to look nice as well as work, especially when I'm paying as much as an iPhone costs.
    That new bump with the three lenses does look nice and aesthetically pleasing. We agree to disagree.
    Interesting that you make the point since you think it doesn't matter what it looks like, but fair enough.  I think you're in a tiny minority.
    So, do you want the improved imaging and video, not to mention A/R, or not?
    Not sure what relevance that has, but they're not features I'm particularly interested in.  Moreover, those features aren't contingent on a square camera bump in the corner.

    So, where should that camera bump go, and what should it look like?

    Given that Apple has always placed its camera(s) in that corner, I'm not sure why moving it makes any sense. 

    This is your opportunity to demonstrate your design skills; where should it go, and why?
    Tbh, if they made the phone thicker and got rid of the bump, that's 90% of my issue dealt with, the feel of it is more irritating than the look. Though in terms of placement, centralising it would remove the asymmetry to good effect, and a cleaner orientation, in a proper square, a line, or a cross formation rather than the rather chaotic looking offset of the three lenses and flash would probably work.
    Do you likewise complain that the ports on the back of an iMac aren’t centered or symmetrically balances to either side? Why not?


    1. I wouldn't consider buying an iMac, I'm a MacBook guy, so I don't have much interest in it.
    2. Even if I did, those ports don't bother me, they're a very small part of the back on the iMac, and their location has a function that would be impeded by centralisation.
    3. Even if I did have interest and they did bother me, I don't see the back of my monitor screen very often, I see the back of my iPhone all the time.
    “or symmetrically balances to either side”

    The ports on the back of the iMac could be placed on either side, symmetrically, but they arent. They’re on one side only. No one complains about this. It’s the same reason why the pearl clutching here is silly nonsense. 
    The location of the iPhone camera is not functionally useful, and judging by the negative comments here and elsewhere I've seen is aesthetically disfavoured by a sizeable proportion, in a product where aesthetics matter to a sizeable proportion.
    You're good.

    Your technical review of the iPhone 11 camera array is the best ever, and especialy brilliant, given that it hasn't actually been announced or delivered!
    watto_cobra
  • YouTuber reveals 'iPhone 11' models, claims few changes

    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    tmay said:
    gatorguy said:
    They are pushed to the side of the phone to make room for the battery in the center and right-side.
    They could still center the camera module with Apple's L-shaped battery because the part of the battery that covers the center of the phone is in the bottom portion of the casing. More than that, Apple is famous for their ability to design the internals of their devices.  I have no doubt Apple could place that camera module wherever they want on that phone and make it work. 

    Personally, I think Apple would keep the module in the upper left corner because of tradition.  It's always been in the upper left corner.  I hope these renders and mockups are wrong, because that off center squircle is disconcerting and just plain ugly.
    I presume the wireless charging coil currently in the dead center could be an issue with centering the new cameras.
    The Huawei Mate 20 includes wireless charging coils and the bump is still centered. 

    The explanation I've seen posted elsewhere for being off-center is both the iPhone and Pixel phones this year are mid-design cycle phones that would require some hefty re-engineering to change the position of the cameras from where they are now. With new shells/displays slated for next year it wouldn't make sense to redesign now.

    Next year I'd wager both will be changing at least the position of the square bump if not the need for one to begin with. 
    Apple and Google moving the camera bump to the middle accomplishes what exactly? Plenty of phones over the last decade have had camera bumps in the center, yet Apple has never had that.

    Why would you see the need to change it?
    The question is 'why not?'.

    If the result is ugly, change it. That's a very good reason.

    Now, if, as Gatorguy has suggested, placing it in the centre was too much of an engineering re-design for a look that is about to suffer a major reworking (possibly on the 2020 upgrade), then keeping it in the upper left would make a little more sense even if the result is ugly.

    It also fits well with Apple's sloth like progess when it comes to adding stand out premium features.

    Tri-camera will be a full 18 months behind the competition. As will be a Night Mode feature and higher zoom factors and camera versatility. For charging, many, many years behind. And rumours point to quad cameras coming to the fore.

    As for the square bump taking inspiration from Huawei, why not? We will never know. There are only so many designs anyway so it would have appeared eventually, just like a circular bump will surely appear too. This is like AirPods. There is nothing original in the design. Snipping off the wires from standard earbuds didn't break new ground and using the long stems has been a well trodden path for the majority of hands free earpieces for many years.

    Square, lineal or circular bumps, aren't news. Looks are and these look awful.

    Having said all that, if things had appeared on an iPhone first and competitors followed, many here would be howling at the 'blatant rip offs' and if the top left sqaure placement had been used by anyone before Apple there would have been howls over how ugly it was, too.

    As things stand, the Pixel 4 actually doesn't look so 'off' because there is no logo near it to draw you to it. 

    The logo is understated and well out of the way.

    It's all moot though until the phones go official. Just pray there are no furry dice hanging off them!
    I don’t think the camera hump in the center looks any better or worse. This notion that Huawei’s implementation is universally accepted as better looking is BS. Of course I’m not surprised you would think so as you’re a Huawei shill.
    Easily solved. Show both setups to ten people you know and note their preferences. The centred option will win out. We are 'programmed' for symmetry to appeal to us. 
    Easier.

    Wait until it arrives and then see how good the imaging, video, and A/R capabilities are, and then see what the response to the bump is.

    StrangeDaysAppleExposedwatto_cobra
  • YouTuber reveals 'iPhone 11' models, claims few changes

    tmay said:
    tmay said:

    The Pixel 4's design isn't stolen from Apple.  Both the Pixel 4 and the alleged iPhone 11 were "inspired" by Huawei's design from last year's Mate Pro 20.  MKBHD even shows one in comparison in the video above.  That camera module is ugly.  Will it keep people from buying the phone?  No, but it's still ugly.  No one, not even the members of the ADF have said otherwise.
    I'm not sure how you would even know if Apple was "inspired" by Huawei, given the number of variations of camera bump configuration and placement on their various P, Mate, and Honor models.

    Huawei certainly hasn't yet converged all of its designs to any single camera placement, but Apple has, since the first iPhone.
    How is this even an argument?  They haven't converged their camera placement in their budget, mid-tier, and premium lines into one design... uh, okay I guess.  I don't even know what that means in the context of this conversation.  It's irrelevant anyway.  I was pretty specific.  I claimed they were inspired by "Huawei's design from last year's Mate Pro 20" not just Huawei in general.   
    Yeah, you "claimed", but why wouldn't I accurately also claim that Apple designed their configuration without regard to Huawei?". Do you actually think that Apple designs its products in mere weeks or months, which they would have had to if they had copied the Mate 20, which was only announced in late October of last year?

    Apple hasn't changed their placement, ever, and they certainly have the engineering and design to create their own optimized camera array that just coincidentally has an appearance like the Mate 20's "square" without actually being anywhere close to the same internal design. 

    A better question is why doesn't Huawei have a consistent design language? Likely it's because Huawei builds a shit ton of different models in a year, and Apple only currently builds three, and they all follow the same design language.
    Opinions.  Were discussing opinions.  You can't accurately claim anything, because it's an opinion.  Just like mine.  You can agree with it or disagree with it.  But whatever you do, please stop trying to move the goalpost with specious arguments.  No one is claiming Apple changed their camera placement.  My first post in this thread even mentions that Apple has always had their placement in the left corner.  But that isn't what the discussion is about and you know it.  No is arguing anything about a same internal design.  You're just making up stuff to obfuscate.  Huawei's consistency in design language isn't a better question, it's more obfuscation and deflection.  That camera module is definitely not consistent with Apple's camera design language.  I say it's inspired by the Mate 20 Pro's design.  You say it's not.   But you've introduced so many tertiary arguments that this is...  It's all good.  We disagree.  Let's leave it there.
    "I say it's inspired by Mate 20 Pro's design", and I posted why you were wrong based on the timeline alone. 

    We do agree to disagree.
    StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • YouTuber reveals 'iPhone 11' models, claims few changes

    crowley said:
    tmay said:
    crowley said:
    iOS_Guy80 said:
    crowley said:
    iOS_Guy80 said:
    crowley said:
    It used to be that Apple made things that looked better from the back than their competitors looked from the front.  I really hope they've got something special in the works for 2020, because that bump is grotesque.
    Really. When you use your phone what side do you look at? What side matters the most? When was the last time you looked at the back of your phone? Does it really matter why it looks like. What matters is that IT JUST WORKS.
    WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

    It's ok that aesthetics don't matter to you.  Other people think differently.  I like for things to look nice as well as work, especially when I'm paying as much as an iPhone costs.
    That new bump with the three lenses does look nice and aesthetically pleasing. We agree to disagree.
    Interesting that you make the point since you think it doesn't matter what it looks like, but fair enough.  I think you're in a tiny minority.
    So, do you want the improved imaging and video, not to mention A/R, or not?
    Not sure what relevance that has, but they're not features I'm particularly interested in.  Moreover, those features aren't contingent on a square camera bump in the corner.

    So, where should that camera bump go, and what should it look like?

    Given that Apple has always placed its camera(s) in that corner, I'm not sure why moving it makes any sense. 

    This is your opportunity to demonstrate your design skills; where should it go, and why?
    StrangeDaysuraharawatto_cobra
  • YouTuber reveals 'iPhone 11' models, claims few changes

    crowley said:
    iOS_Guy80 said:
    crowley said:
    iOS_Guy80 said:
    crowley said:
    It used to be that Apple made things that looked better from the back than their competitors looked from the front.  I really hope they've got something special in the works for 2020, because that bump is grotesque.
    Really. When you use your phone what side do you look at? What side matters the most? When was the last time you looked at the back of your phone? Does it really matter why it looks like. What matters is that IT JUST WORKS.
    WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

    It's ok that aesthetics don't matter to you.  Other people think differently.  I like for things to look nice as well as work, especially when I'm paying as much as an iPhone costs.
    That new bump with the three lenses does look nice and aesthetically pleasing. We agree to disagree.
    Interesting that you make the point since you think it doesn't matter what it looks like, but fair enough.  I think you're in a tiny minority.
    So, do you want the improved imaging and video, not to mention A/R, or not?
    watto_cobra