knowitall

linuxplatform said:

knowitall said:

linuxplatform said:

knowitall said:

Your mistaken, Mac profits are low in percentage against for example the iPhone, but not low in absolute numbers.

This means that Mac profits are higher than all Dell, Hp and Lenovos combined.

Dell earns about $23 billion in revenue a quarter. Lenovo about $15 billion in revenue. I am not going to list HP because unlike Dell and Lenovo they get revenue from a lot more things than PCs, including services. 

That said, I agree with your overall point. You can easily get a Windows laptop with an i5 processor and 8 GB of RAM for $500-$550. Meanwhile an equivalent MacBook Air is going to cost $1000. Were Apple to drop the price of their MacBook Air to $650, how many more people would buy it? I don't know ... if they make $500 on every MacBook Air as it is but would only make $100 if they were to try to compete with Asus - probably the best "cheap" PC manufacturer there is - would they need to sell 5 times as many MacBook Airs? Now can you envison a scenario where Apple sells 5 million MacBook Airs a quarter? Did Apple even move anywhere close to that many MacBook Airs during "peak Apple", when the iPhone 6+ had everyone in a frenzy, Ballmer was refusing to budge off Windows 8 and there were even multiple major Hollywood movies about Apple and its products? So what would their chances be of doing that now with Windows 10 is at least halfway as good as Windows 7 was and even Chromebooks now somehow being a viable marketable product? Seriously where a $400 Windows laptop is still a questionable purchase, you can spend that on a Chromebook and get a decent Intel i3 Ubuntu laptop with a touchscreen and 2-in-1 form factor that can also run mobile apps.

Even if they were to make the entry level Air model a good bit cheaper, say $750 ... you can get a legit 1080p Windows gaming laptop with an Nvidia GeForce graphics card for that. I really don't think that Apple is going to make much more money by lowering prices. It is tough for the people who want a MacBook but legitimately can't afford one but that's still the set of facts we are dealing with. Apple could lower prices on their cheapest models, experience only a few percentage points bump in market share but actually make less money. 

My point was about profit, not revenue.
So I repeat Apples Macs generate more profit than all pc companies combined.
I wasn't talking about low prices either, although extremely slim margins of pc companies is the reason they have almost no profit at all.   
Your rambling about low prices misses the point completely because you forget about the operating system. You cannot buy a pc with macOS (and this makes it of no value).
It would be nice if Apple could lower its Mac price point, but I indicated that that will happen this year by introducing Apples own A(desktop) processor soc.
At that point pc manufactures have 3 problems: they lack decent processors, a decent operating system and any real profits. 
Because of that I expect Macs to be as successful as iPhones.    

I know you were talking about profit and not revenue. I just don't believe you. Prove me wrong by posting Apple's profits in PCs and then posting the profits of the top 5 PC manufacturers. As for the rest of your comments I was actually agreeing with you but apparently you can't handle someone disagreeing with your minor point while agreeing with your main point. So maybe you should reread my post.

linuxplatform said:

knowitall said:

Your mistaken, Mac profits are low in percentage against for example the iPhone, but not low in absolute numbers.

This means that Mac profits are higher than all Dell, Hp and Lenovos combined.

Dell earns about $23 billion in revenue a quarter. Lenovo about $15 billion in revenue. I am not going to list HP because unlike Dell and Lenovo they get revenue from a lot more things than PCs, including services. 

That said, I agree with your overall point. You can easily get a Windows laptop with an i5 processor and 8 GB of RAM for $500-$550. Meanwhile an equivalent MacBook Air is going to cost $1000. Were Apple to drop the price of their MacBook Air to $650, how many more people would buy it? I don't know ... if they make $500 on every MacBook Air as it is but would only make $100 if they were to try to compete with Asus - probably the best "cheap" PC manufacturer there is - would they need to sell 5 times as many MacBook Airs? Now can you envison a scenario where Apple sells 5 million MacBook Airs a quarter? Did Apple even move anywhere close to that many MacBook Airs during "peak Apple", when the iPhone 6+ had everyone in a frenzy, Ballmer was refusing to budge off Windows 8 and there were even multiple major Hollywood movies about Apple and its products? So what would their chances be of doing that now with Windows 10 is at least halfway as good as Windows 7 was and even Chromebooks now somehow being a viable marketable product? Seriously where a $400 Windows laptop is still a questionable purchase, you can spend that on a Chromebook and get a decent Intel i3 Ubuntu laptop with a touchscreen and 2-in-1 form factor that can also run mobile apps.

Even if they were to make the entry level Air model a good bit cheaper, say $750 ... you can get a legit 1080p Windows gaming laptop with an Nvidia GeForce graphics card for that. I really don't think that Apple is going to make much more money by lowering prices. It is tough for the people who want a MacBook but legitimately can't afford one but that's still the set of facts we are dealing with. Apple could lower prices on their cheapest models, experience only a few percentage points bump in market share but actually make less money. 

spice-boy said:

GeorgeBMac said:

This is very understandable when one compares Apple Products to those of Lenovo:

Lenovo:   Mostly high-end, quality products but a wide range of form factors to meet essentially every need from business man to student.

Apple:  Entirely high-end, quality products limited to a single form factor* which forces the buyer to adjust their needs to fit the product available.

* Yes, I know there are iMacs, MacMinis and MacPros, but those are essentially irrelevant, only MacBooks count and there you can't tell one from the other without a spec sheet.

And, adding a cursor and mouse to the iPad will hurt the Mac line even more -- Lenovo considers that a laptop that can function as a tablet, Apple will consider it a tablet that can function as a laptop.  Essentially they are the same but fall into different product lines.

Apple needs to do 3 things with the MacBook line:
1)  Continue to upgrade it (why is Apple News so sucky on the Mac?   You can't even adjust the size/zoom!  And, why no FaceBook app?).

2)  Provide form factors in addition to the "thin & light, minimalist" designs they have so far limited themselves to.

3)  Produce a sub $1K laptop.

In other words, its not a matter of quality but of marketing:   other vendors are giving people what they want instead of selling a limited product line and trying to force people into liking it.   The iPad, iPhone and iPad are all good examples:  Apple produced multiple form factors to meet people's needs and preferences and it worked.

Why would Apple make vast range of laptops as you described when another company is doing that already. I believe Apple already has a confusing batch of products which should be whittled down further. I understand the desktop is not where Apple's profits are any longer but gee whiz surely the design could be improved, how many years has it locked and performed the same 7-8?