canukstorm

avon b7 said:

blastdoor said:

avon b7 said:

igorsky said:

avon b7 said:

That 85% don't pay anything is utterly irrelevant. The point is that the remaining share is enough to generate billions upon billions in revenues because there is literally no competition allowed. Everything in that other group goes to Apple because alternative stores are not allowed to exist.

The same applies to the 'reduced' 15%' which only ever came into effect through regulatory scrutiny and complaints. Without that Apple wouldn't have conceded anything.

What are are you saying exactly…that Apple shouldn’t charge anything? That’s not how intellectual property works. 

Apple can charge whatever it wants. Why not 70%? That isn't the issue. 

The issue is that only Apple gets to charge because it doesn't allow other stores to exist. 

So Apple has a monopoly of the Apple market, eh? Kind of like how the movie theater doesn't allow outside food or drink? Or how if you go to your dentist, you can't choose a hygienist from another dentist? 

That approach to defining the market is absurd and if that's the basis for the DOJ's case (and it very well might be), then a victory by the DOJ would mean economic chaos. Consumers like bundles of goods and services. They don't want everything unbundled. To force that unbundling would harm consumers because it would impose on them the cost of creating those bundles themselves and doing all the integration themselves. 

Apple's practices are only potentially problematic if they are a monopoly. The revenue share argument strikes me as pretty weak. Apple is not stopping any other firm from offering a bundle of goods and services as attractive as theirs. Many other firms have the money and IP portfolios to pull it off. The thing holding them back isn't Apple, it's that their leadership is fundamentally corrupt and uninterested in creating a company like Apple, instead they are only interested in getting rich quick and moving on. That's not Apple's fault. 

It's all a question of perspective. These are new times for digital services and hardware. It should all be put into the system, scrutinised and dealt with. The Google search default on iPhones is also being scrutinised. Different places could well see things differently. 

This is the beginning. The EU has a lead here and we already know (or have a very good idea) what is expected. 

As for food and drink in movie theaters, they try that here (signs and all) but it is actually illegal to stop someone taking their own food and drink into a movie theater if the theater offers its own options. The reason being that food and drink isn't the main business of movie theaters. 

Again, different places see things in different ways. 

We'll have to wait and see how the DoJ plays it and how Apple responds. 

OnPartyBusiness said:

no, it’s not subtle. The announcement is in Siri’s own colors.

rob53 said:

canukstorm said:

VictorMortimer said:

Fred257 said:

I’ve been following Apple since 1997. Apple Insider I have been following since 1998. Apple is going to be fined on this one. The lawyers for Apple have made the wrong decision 

And about time, too.  Apple is playing around, they're going to lose this.  They need to just open up the iPhone and iPad for apps installed from anywhere, it's time for this app store nonsense to end.

(Gave up and created a new account today, my old one won't log in and the password recovery won't work.  With how much the posts here have dropped I don't think I'm the only one who had that problem.)

The European Union arose because the Europeans couldn’t compete on their own with the rest of the world, so they each lined up to surrender their national sovereignty, unique cultures, and dignity for an undemocratic, opaque, wasteful, bloated, bureaucratic quasi-governmental mess. If you can't compete then you regulate.  That's the EU for you.

This is usually called an illegal cartel but the EU lovers don't understand this. Apple is an American company providing a product. Maybe it's time for the USA to start going after EU companies, like the VW, for all their fake emission controls on vehicles. I'd start by shutting down VW Group of America for regularly, intentionally violating emission controls. I'd also go after every EU company no matter what they provide. If the EU continues to try and run American companies, the USA needs to start forcing EU companies to comply with every American law.