bb-15

mr. h said:

fastasleep said:

You have Spotlight indexing everything every day. You have Photos using machine learning to identify faces and pets and objects every day. What's to stop Apple from exfiltrating that data at any point? … Live Text is coming to iOS 15 and macOS Monterey and is going to make a whole lot of image-based text indexable, why aren't people freaking out about that?

Why are none of the naysayers in this thread addressing this extremely valid point? The above features, which have been in iOS for years (apart from Live Text, obviously) actually fit the profile of what is being complained about, far more than the newly-proposed CSAM detection process.

It’s not a valid point. In the past Tim Cook has stated that Apple has the ability to mine all your data in iOS (Safari, iMessage, Maps, Photos) & either make money from it as Google does (I’m not counting News or the App Store) or turn that information over to law enforcement.
- In the past Tim Cook has said Apple would not do this.
That Apple would not mine all your data for money or mine all your data so it could be turned over to law enforcement.
- Apple specifically took steps to protect user privacy such as encryption which Apple would not break.
A famous example was the San Bernardino terrorist attack where Apple said they could / would not provide law enforcement with encrypted information. 

* What is new here with CSAM?
From Apple;
”new technology in iOS and iPadOS* will allow Apple to detect known CSAM images stored in iCloud Photos. This will enable Apple to report these instances to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC). NCMEC acts as a comprehensive reporting center for CSAM and works in collaboration with law enforcement agencies across the United States.”

A user lends their phone to a friend, that friend uploads the wrong kind of image, that is report to NDMEC then law enforcement & then the phone owner has a the police barging into their house.

* Apple has decided to become an extension of law enforcement. Imo it is not Apple’’s job to police the world.
It is the job of parents to safeguard their children from the disturbing & harmful material on the internet.     
Apple should not become Big Brother & demolish their past history of privacy. 

StrangeDays said:

coolfactor said:

macxpress said:

M68000 said:

Looking forward to watching real world reviews of this new computer and monitor.  Yes it may seem expensive, but when you think that it's possible to get 10 years out of a computer this powerful and this monitor will certainly not be obsolete any time soon - is it really that expensive over time ?   Instead of buying 2 or 3 high end desktops\laptops in 10 years - just buy this... 

I think it all depends on what you're doing. I doubt any serious professional (company) is gonna buy one and expect it to last 10yrs. For most companies the standard length they keep a computer around (Mac or PC) is 3yrs before its considered EOL (End of Life). That doesn't mean its useless, its just a standard some companies go by. 

I could be living in a totally different world, but I've seen companies (and myself!) hold onto the same computers for 10 years. My current laptop is 6 years old and still good as new, running Mojave. And do you remember the XP years? Windows XP lasted 10 years, and people ran it on the same hardware that whole time. So the three-year timespan is questionable in my mind, and I think the Mac Pro has 10 years in it, easy. It's a real workhorse.

I’ve worked American enterprise as a contractor for almost 20 years, none of the many companies I’ve worked for had us using machines older than a few years. My personal computer at home, yes (last iMac went 8 years), but never corporate machines. 

The debate goes back & forth; do some companies / agencies keep computers for 5 to 10 years? Yes. (I’ve seen it.) 
Do some companies replace computers after 3 years? Yes. I’ve see that too. 

** But this is a comment thread about the Mac Pro. The question is; do companies like Pixar, which have stated that they use Mac Pros, change those computers after 3 years on a rigid schedule which forces their departments to give up their machines? 
I doubt it. 
Why? 
* We must first begin w/ the reality that the Mac Pro has always been a niche, high end machine for the most demanding video/film projects. 
If they are in the middle of a project & no new Mac Pro is available after 3 years, would they tell one of their teams, ‘OK you all need to switch to new machines this month. Back up your files & since no new Mac Pro is available, you will switch to PC hardware which will have new versions of your software’.
I doubt a studio would do something like that.
* I have read that both the old tower Mac Pro and the tube Mac Pro could be used for 5 years in movie studios/departments.   

danvm said:

bb-15 said:

danvm said:

StrangeDays said:

OutdoorAppDeveloper said:

How does the GPU ray tracing compare to a NVIDIA Windows laptop for half the price?

Who cares, you'd be stuck running a crappier OS.

Based in the experience of my customer, Windows 10 have been excellent.  No issues at all running AutoCAD, Revit, BIM 360 and Adobe CC, among other specialized applications.  Plus I have the flexibility of choosing a list of hardware and options not available with macOS.  Maybe you prefer macOS over Windows.  But it doesn't means Windows is a "crappier OS".  

Major OS comparisons are always going to be subjective. 
For instance for me, the problems w/ some Windows 10 updates (some even leading to data loss) puts me off on upgrading/using that OS (which I easily could do on an iMac through Boot Camp).
See Ars Technica for articles about the Windows 10 update problem. 

** You may argue that some Mac updates can also have problems but that is a different situation. 
* In my experience w/ IS for many years, there is a lot more malware written for Windows compared w/ the Mac. 
As a result a Windows user (which includes me for several years) should do OS updates as soon as they are available.
By contrast a Mac user can wait to see how a Mac OS update performs since the Mac user is at less risk to getting malware.
** You may argue that in side by side contests a Mac computer is just as easily hacked as a Windows machine. But those hacking contests don’t replicate the risk in the real world.
Because Windows is almost always the standard in big business, banking, government, there is an economic incentive to produce more malware for Windows.  

*** Result; for some use cases Windows 10 can be considered a worse OS compared w/ Mac OS. I wouldn’t use the term crappier because that’s not my style but the meaning is the same. 
And the answer remains, it depends on the user. 

(PS. I can bring up other reasons why a person may choose to use the Mac/Apple products in general but I prefer to present one reason at a time.)

I suppose the data loss issue you mentioned was for the Windows 10 October 2018 upgrade, where some users reported missing documents.  The thing is that macOS Catalina had issues with missing data, in this case emails lost,   

https://appleinsider.com/articles/19/10/12/missing-message-issues-plague-mail-users-in-macos-catalina

How is this better or worst than what happened with the Windows 10 upgrade and the missing files?  There are Ars articles, among many other articles about Windows 10 upgrade issues.  But I can find articles about issues with macOS and iOS updates.  The truth is that Windows and macOS and iOS have their list of recent problems. 

Windows 10 have more malware, and as you explained, being the most popular desktop OS maybe one the reasons.  But, what would happen if macOS had the Windows 10 market share, and became the target of hackers and malware?  Would it make it a worst OS than Windows?  

Both macOS and Windows 10 have their good and bad things.  I don't consider neither of them bad at all, or one better than the other, since both are very stable and secure.  Like I said before, which one is better is a matter of personal preference and the applications / tools the user needs to complete his/her workflow.  Someone may have their reasons to prefer macOS, but there are others that will give you their reasons to prefer Windows.  Again, personal preference.  Not necessarily that one is better or worse than the other.  

You do not understanding what I wrote or your bias won’t allow you to understand. 
- Again, the Mac user doesn’t have to upgrade immediately for the reasons I presented (less malware allows for waiting on updates). 
- But the Windows user including with 10 needs to upgrade right away (a huge amount of malware). That partly is what makes using Windows such an unpleasant experience for some (including me).
That is a point in favor of using a Mac for some users. 

* Speculations about what if the Mac had the same market share is a straw man argument.
Fact; Windows still has close to 90% desktop/laptop market share. Malware amounts stem from that. 

* You recommended the Lenovo Thinkpad and yet in 2015; 

• Lenovo was caught selling laptops pre-installed with Superfish malware that opened up doors for hackers.
• In August, Lenovo again got caught installing unwanted and non-removable malware into part of the BIOS reserved for custom drivers.

danvm said:

StrangeDays said:

OutdoorAppDeveloper said:

How does the GPU ray tracing compare to a NVIDIA Windows laptop for half the price?

Who cares, you'd be stuck running a crappier OS.

Based in the experience of my customer, Windows 10 have been excellent.  No issues at all running AutoCAD, Revit, BIM 360 and Adobe CC, among other specialized applications.  Plus I have the flexibility of choosing a list of hardware and options not available with macOS.  Maybe you prefer macOS over Windows.  But it doesn't means Windows is a "crappier OS".  

Major OS comparisons are always going to be subjective. 
For instance for me, the problems w/ some Windows 10 updates (some even leading to data loss) puts me off on upgrading/using that OS (which I easily could do on an iMac through Boot Camp).
See Ars Technica for articles about the Windows 10 update problem. 

** You may argue that some Mac updates can also have problems but that is a different situation. 
* In my experience w/ IS for many years, there is a lot more malware written for Windows compared w/ the Mac. 
As a result a Windows user (which includes me for several years) should do OS updates as soon as they are available.
By contrast a Mac user can wait to see how a Mac OS update performs since the Mac user is at less risk to getting malware.
** You may argue that in side by side contests a Mac computer is just as easily hacked as a Windows machine. But those hacking contests don’t replicate the risk in the real world.
Because Windows is almost always the standard in big business, banking, government, there is an economic incentive to produce more malware for Windows.  

*** Result; for some use cases Windows 10 can be considered a worse OS compared w/ Mac OS. I wouldn’t use the term crappier because that’s not my style but the meaning is the same. 
And the answer remains, it depends on the user. 

(PS. I can bring up other reasons why a person may choose to use the Mac/Apple products in general but I prefer to present one reason at a time.)

From the article; “They were late to the game, they've underinvested in content, and they have a lot of room to make up."

A misread of the situation. TV+ is part of a bundle.
In some ways it is like Amazon Prime. You buy the faster shipping & you also get Prime Video. 
- With TV+, you buy certain Apple devices & you get a year of TV+.
* Like Prime Video, TV+ is a bonus for getting something. With Apple it is their hardware. 
For instance my wife & I bought iPhones in October & now we have a year of TV+ added to our streaming services (Netflix/Prime Video). 
We will be watching the Jason Momoa series soon. 
It’s a win win for us & I imagine that’s also true for a lot of people.