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  • ARM deal nears closure with Nvidia mulling $40B purchase from SoftBank

    cloudguy said:
    tmay said:
    I don't imagine that Apple has concerns one way or the other. Apple is likely at a point where they have in house capability and have licensed necessary IP to create their own proprietary ISA, while also large enough to create the design and validation tools needed to fab at TMSC, or whomever.

    I would prefer that ARM reside in Japan or the UK, and not Taiwan, simply for National Security reasons.
    You can't create any ARM designs without licensing from ARM Holdings. Even if it were possible somehow, Apple's existing line of processors - A, T, S, U, W, H - are all based on designs that they currently licensed from ARM. Creating 6 new lines of processors in a way that doesn't infringe on the MANY RISC-based CPU patents - and there are tons as RISC has been around since the early 1980s - would take years, and one would have no idea about such real world issues as performance, heat and scalability. Speaking of real world issues, Apple would be responsible for things like creating a new instruction set, architecture, microcode etc. as well as publishing all that stuff and securing patents for it. They also would need to build an entire application stack on top of the new architecture AND migrate their existing applications for their hardware to it, while still supporting the 2 billion iOS devices on the previous architecture for the 5-6 years that all those devices last. 

    Another thing: basic R&D like this isn't Apple's deal. It is amazing that so many people are convinced that it is. In fact, Apple doesn't do originality. Instead they take existing technology - stuff that has been around for awhile and has been proven - and incorporate them into their existing design language. At most, one could say that they excel at taking parts innovated or improved by others and using them to make new great products. But the truth is that nothing in Apple's present existence or their previous history indicates that they are capable of coming up with a "new" CPU design, or even a major advance on an existing design. Even their own CPUs, in addition to being based on the existing ARM design, were the result of acqui-hiring PA Semiconductor. Even something MUCH SIMPLER such as a fingerprint scanner, they had to buy a company that already had the tech, where Qualcomm and Samsung created their own using their own R&D departments (which is why they were able to make under-the-screen fingerprint scanners so quickly). 

    "In 1972, Intel launched the, the first 8-bit microprocessor.  It implemented an instruction set designed by Datapoint corporation"

    So basically INTEL isn't original either since they bought the instruction set for their first processor from Datapoint.

    Let's not even get into Microsoft who bought and stole like thieves to develop their first products.

    Almost all work is built on prior art because it very rarely pops out of thin air, except by mistake.


    Everything Is A Remix
    https://youtu.be/nJPERZDfyWc

    The Myth Of Originality...

    https://www.techdirt.com/article.php?sid=20091229/1205217535&op=sharethis

    "First, things that many people think are "original" usually aren't very original at all. They tend to be derivative in some way or another -- a point that we've made here many times. And yet, many people seem to think that there's some sort of objective standard for originality, and that something that involves a direct copy of something else as part of the process can't count as original (though, they conveniently ignore it when "the greats" like Mozart or Shakespeare did a direct cut-and-paste type of copying in their own works). "
    tmaywatto_cobra
  • ARM deal nears closure with Nvidia mulling $40B purchase from SoftBank

    cloudguy said:
    tmay said:
    I don't imagine that Apple has concerns one way or the other. Apple is likely at a point where they have in house capability and have licensed necessary IP to create their own proprietary ISA, while also large enough to create the design and validation tools needed to fab at TMSC, or whomever.

    I would prefer that ARM reside in Japan or the UK, and not Taiwan, simply for National Security reasons.
    You can't create any ARM designs without licensing from ARM Holdings. Even if it were possible somehow, Apple's existing line of processors - A, T, S, U, W, H - are all based on designs that they currently licensed from ARM. Creating 6 new lines of processors in a way that doesn't infringe on the MANY RISC-based CPU patents - and there are tons as RISC has been around since the early 1980s - would take years, and one would have no idea about such real world issues as performance, heat and scalability. Speaking of real world issues, Apple would be responsible for things like creating a new instruction set, architecture, microcode etc. as well as publishing all that stuff and securing patents for it. They also would need to build an entire application stack on top of the new architecture AND migrate their existing applications for their hardware to it, while still supporting the 2 billion iOS devices on the previous architecture for the 5-6 years that all those devices last. 

    Another thing: basic R&D like this isn't Apple's deal. It is amazing that so many people are convinced that it is. In fact, Apple doesn't do originality. Instead they take existing technology - stuff that has been around for awhile and has been proven - and incorporate them into their existing design language. At most, one could say that they excel at taking parts innovated or improved by others and using them to make new great products. But the truth is that nothing in Apple's present existence or their previous history indicates that they are capable of coming up with a "new" CPU design, or even a major advance on an existing design. Even their own CPUs, in addition to being based on the existing ARM design, were the result of acqui-hiring PA Semiconductor. Even something MUCH SIMPLER such as a fingerprint scanner, they had to buy a company that already had the tech, where Qualcomm and Samsung created their own using their own R&D departments (which is why they were able to make under-the-screen fingerprint scanners so quickly). 

    ARM was originally founded November, 1990 as a joint venture between Apple, Acorn, and VLSI Technology to develop a chip for the Apple Newton, now widely regarded as the world’s first decent mobile device. Apple held a share in the company until it was sold to SoftBank in 2016.

    Apple now holds a perpetual 
    multi-use architectural ARM license, which basically means it can build whatever it wants our of it, modify and extend it, which is exactly what they've been doing. What it comes down to is that ARM is just an instruction set, not a processor design, which is why they bought PA Semiconductor with the patents and expertise to produce RISC processors, in addition to the patents Apple already holds from previous RISC ventures with IBM, Motorola, etc,.

    As for originality, check out this list of innovators...

    Companies with a 64-bit ARMv8-A architectural licence include Applied Micro, Broadcom, Cavium, Huawei (HiSilicon),  Nvidia, AMD, Qualcomm, Samsung, and Apple.


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  • USB 3, USB 4, Thunderbolt, & USB-C -- everything you need to know

    What's with sound on USB 4/Thunderbolt, are these standards able to carry sound like HDMI does?

    Thunderbolt is fairly straightforward, it does it all to include power. But a USB port varies a great deal. They should be marked but often are not.

    Current USB Type-C alt modes include:
    • Thunderbolt
    • DisplayPort
    • HDMI
    • MHL
    • Analog audio


    StrangeDaysFileMakerFellersuperkloton
  • USB 3, USB 4, Thunderbolt, & USB-C -- everything you need to know

    DAalseth said:
    So to attach a TB 3 drive to my older TB 2 iMac I’ll need a cable adaptor. Am I correct in assuming it’s just a plug adaptor, it doesn’t need to do any translation or conversion of the data. With that the TB 3 drive will appear and we’ll be ready to go, albeit at TB2 speeds.
    It's just an adapter.

    https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MMEL2AM/A/thunderbolt-3-usb-c-to-thunderbolt-2-adapter

    The adapter is bidirectional. For your use, you'd connect a TB2 cable from your Mac to the adapter, and the USB-C male end to the drive.
    This also works with TB 1, TB3 docks and Target Disk mode between a TB1 computer and a TB3 computer. I've yet to find any constraints when using the adapter between any version of TB.
    rundhviddysamoria
  • TikTok 'shocked' by US executive order and impending ban

    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    Tariffs flopped so this is the substitute for "getting tough" with China apparently.
    In what way did they “flop” exactly? China is clearly getting quite desperate with their increased propaganda, spying and attempts to influence the election.
    Realistically speaking Trump claimed trade wars were good and easy to win. You would have thought at this point it would be over if that were true. Clearly it isn't. 

    The tool to win the war was tariffs and most industry watchers have made it clear that China hasn't really been paying them. US citizens have borne the brunt. 

    China, in tit for tat measures, manoeuvred to lower tariffs on countries who could supply its needs, plunging industries like US agriculture to the brink of economic collapse.

    In an attempt to get something, anything, to talk about, Trump lauded the phase 1 deal which didn't even include any obligations on China's part to fulfil commitments to anything included in it. Now, Trump is basically saying that deal is not worth the paper it's written on. 

    From the get go China made it clear that they were in this for the long haul and would suffer but, at the same time, resist and wait things out.

    As elections approach and Trump has little cause to celebrate anything, time is not on his side and we are seeing actions like those against Huawei and Byte Dance and Tencent look evermore desperate. All the while, China is basically doing nothing.

    As he said the trade war was easy to win and he very much hasn't won anything (he has actually caused great harm to US interests), saying he flopped makes a lot of sense. 

    China should have pulled into line long ago under such pressure but it's clear they haven't. 


    Avon - One thing I would like to remind you whenever the discussion is on politics - FACTS do NOT matter to majority of the people. All they need is - Catchy phrases that they can connect with and repeat shamelessly even if they are blatant lies. On that count - Trump seems to be playing PERFECTLY to the gallery, i.e. his supporters. So it is quite possible that Trump wins one more term and cause more harm to the entire world with his shenanigans.


    Why do i say this? - I have seen the exact same thing played out in my country (India) where right wing extremists won 2nd term on the basis of lies after lies. And majority of the people were more than happy to hear those lies day in, day out and voted the same party to power last year.

    This is true and it is worrying to a point but I think there will be part of the base support which will have no alternative but to look at how things have played and why, and begin to question some if the more blatant claims that have been made along the way. 

    A lot of farms have gone out of business and although the agricultural sector has seen billions injected to keep it afloat (twice) some producers are saying they don’t want handouts, they want to sell their harvests. That is where Trump supposedly has a lot of support. 

    The COVID-19 response has largely been criticised worldwide. 

    The trade war is ongoing and looking far from over. 

    The hurricane season is looking like a nasty one this year.

    California seems to have a perpetual problem with wildfires. 

    The Black Lives Matter protests are ongoing. 

    Not to mention that he was actually impeached. 

    I would like to think that even the most fervent Trump supporter may stand back and reflect a bit on where the US is, how it got there and where it is going. 

    If a small fraction of his supporters drop support, things might change. 

    Actions often speak louder than words and the entire world saw what the US response was to COVID-19. The term 'America First' took a dramatic new twist with US officials literally trying to get results through hard cash. To the point of allies complaining that the US was trying to divert their already purchased medical equipment into US hands by offering big dollars. A similar approach has been seen with vaccine purchases. 

    This has not sat well with foreign powers who were never even in favour of Trump from the start. 

    Frankly the list of questionable responses to various fronts is growing daily. 

    I know that a lot of his supporters are not aware of any of this but it would only take a fraction to change their opinion for, perhaps, change to occur. 
    I don’t give two shits what are the opinions of “the world” or China. Neither should any American.
    Our alliances with our allies and the promotion of democratic values have been key to our success for 75-years. Alone, we would find ourselves in dire straits.
    Keep telling yourself that. America was instrumental in helping end WWII and prevented a complete takeover of Europe by Germany.
    I was talking about the post-war period. But if we’re taking about World War II, our alliances were still key to winning the war. If the Soviet Union had fell in 1941 or 1942, we’d all be speaking German and Japanese now.  

    The war turned well before the the first of our troops landed In Africa, much less Europe. This doesn’t in any way diminish our contribution to the defeat of Germany but without Russia Europe as we know it today would not exist.

    We were a key part of a broad alliance that included many other nations, and  this success played out again in the West during the Cold War with NATO and SETO. We never did it alone, we always had help. That’s our strength, cooperation through alliances .
    raulcristiancommand_fFileMakerFeller