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matrix077 said:

christopher126 said:

HI guys, I downloaded the App, 'Battery Life' (Free-No affiliation)....My SE is fine (Green) but my GF's iPhone 6 is average (Orange).

Also, my GF's had a message from Apple, Settings>Battery "Your iPhone battery may need to be serviced."

Best.

My girlfriend iPhone 6 is bad (33%).  

It's 3 years old, she should have already changed the battery if she's a heavy user (and even if she isn't, she may have been pushing it).

lewchenko said:

Wonder why they said it only runs till end 2018 though for cheaper replacements?
I’m sure many 7 series will be carrying lower capacity batteries well beyond 2018. 

I also hope they start putting higher capacity batteries on the next iPhones too. Another couple of millimetres is a welcome trade in my opinion.

Still not not updating my phone to ios 11.2 though. 
Don’t fancy having a gimped cpu / gpu in months to come. Would rather it just started shutting down ... atleast I know it needs a new battery then. 

There is no problem with the battery, just the realisation by people that they need to change their battery, especially if keep using their phone more and more.
People are now on their phone all day long without respite doing computer stuff, photography, gps, etc, while battery tech has not improved much.
Web sites these days are Even 5 years ago, people used their phones a lot less.much more computationally intensive and big.

Even 5 years ago, people used their phones a lot less.

Processor , chipset and screen efficiency has crawled back some of this if you kept doing the same thing as before... But most are not, they're for example keeping their GPS and bluetooth on all day long and in use which few were doing not so long.

If you want the most compact powerful phone and use it all day long, well right now that means making choices. Seems people were doing magical thinking and thinking they could have a phone that last 2 years without changing the battery even if they do full cycle charges a few times a day! That's simply not possible.

Its basically an education job Apple have failed at.. The funny thing is that Apple's issues are the industry's issue. I'm sure Samsung and the rest are happy that Apple is doing a job they'd have to do themselves soon.

The Iphone has already grown 1.3mm since it was its  most thin.
It's aready pretty heavy, especially in plus size, a few mm would increase its weight nearly 50% (if that's mostly battery, batteries are heavy); it is probable that people DON'T WANT THAT.

That's the thing, people want it all and basically people need to tell them clearly that there is a tradeoff. If Apple just makes phones thicker without them being knowledgeable able that, they'll just complain that its too thick and heavy.

cgWerks said:

I bet the marketing department now wishes they'd have just gone with the dialog box and $79 replacements. Now, they maybe even lose money at $29, plus new phone sales.

It will delay a new phone sales, but the good will will mean Apple is getting that next sale.
Iphone sales cycles are getting longer and longer anyway.

Soli said:

seanismorris said:

Soli said:

indiekiduk said:

If they knew the thin battery in the 6/6s had a design flaw why did they not make the 7 or 8 thicker? Is it because Apple is too obsessed with making the devices thin?

1) I have no idea what you mean by thin batteries having a design flaw that a thick battery doesn't but I can say you absolutely don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

2) If you actually paid attention you'd notice that Apple has increased the thickness of their devices many, many times in recent years, which obliterates all your "obsessed about thinness" bullshit.

You might have noticed he asked a question rather than cursing at him.  Would a larger battery have lasted longer? That is a legitimate question.

Apple is suggesting the newer phones (either because of the software update, or hardware decisions) won’t have this issue.

I am wondering how long the IPhone 8’s battery is expected to last... it’s relevant when deciding to get the extended warranty.

Perhaps appleinsider can follow up on that.  Is AppleCare worth it?

1) He's not really asking questions.

2) His comment is that Apple keeps making iPhones thinner when they've actually increased their thickness is a statement… and that's wrong.

• iPhone 6 = 0.27" D
• iPhone 7 = 0.28" D
• iPhone 8 = 0.29" D

• iPone 6 Plus = 0.28" D
  
• iPhone 7 Plus = 0.29" D
  
• iPhone 8 Plus = 0.30" D

3) He foolishly makes a claim about the thinness of a battery, not about its volume or its capacity. This batteries are sheets that are wrapped and folded so thicker batteries would have a statistical likelihood of having more issues, not less. Then there's the chemistry involved that caused dendrites to degrade batteries and cause them to eventually short out, as well as impurities, as we see with cheap batteries that are discarded by Apple and most other OEMs because they're both junk and dangerous), and finally other aspects of how power is received through cheap 3rd-party chargers and cables that can further degrade batteries is the internal components of the device can only handle so much in terms fo controlling the power flow which can cause a lot more than just battery health.

4) Apple clearly states that the iPhone batteries should last 500 charge cycles before it reaches 80% of its original capacity. This is not 500 charges; this is 500 complete charge cycles. If you charged your battery every day when it was at 50% it would then be 1000 days of charging before you get to 500 complete charge cycles.

actually it is not linear , always charging at 50% gives you much more than 2x more like 2.5 times, why? because deep charging or discharge tends to damage the anode and cathodes. If you only discharge 25% every day, the battery likely would last 3 x the number of charge cycles (so 500x-800 would turn into 1500 to 1800).

That's why Ipad batteries last longer, they tend to discharge less in percentage and the Ipads tend to stay plugged more often.

If you look at charge curves, you see that the power controller tend to allow the charging the battery very fast over 20% and under 80

raclark77 said:

If they had told people what they were doing before just slowing peoples phones down without their consent it would be different.

This action is tantamount to malware being pushed out as a software update. More reason to NOT trust company updates.

And now to restore the device to previous conditions the user must pay for a new battery?! How is this not equal to randsomware?! Having to spend money that had not been planned on being spent until this is basically extortion.

At $29 a pop just how many millions will this make them?! This is outrageous, and just laughable that some of the people commenting here are just fine with this as it is.

This just happened to slow down old devices at the exact same time as new Apple phones being sold too! This is too much of a coincidence to be a coincidence.

I feel Apple has overstepped with this whole situation. The price reduction on a maintenance that wasn't needed until their actions is not a fix of any kind.

As it stands now, I have no plans to buy anything Apple again. Microsoft, and Apple both are making some boneheaded decisions lately. I almost think they might just be the same company secretly.

They were caught red handed. Me paying them for their actions is not going to make me feel any better about this in any way.

If this was all fine, then why was it secretly/silently done?

Everything you said is false, good grief pure junk.
 A crappo battery from some crap shop cost me $30 to install on the then 4 year old 3GS years ago, and you think Apple will make money from this...

The 3GS was easier to open and service than the latest phones (cheapo shops probably are not touching the X).

Those articles do dredge up trolls by the bushells.

BTW, if a mallware saves your battery, maybe they should sell that solution cause that sure seems usefull.