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So Huawei is also including Honor, their budget brand in these numbers. As in CHEAPO phones. How many of those are being sold? Have they sold far more of those phones then their higher end Huawei phones?

Everyone is always so focused on Apple instead of their own phones.

I don't see Google as doing anything wrong. The EU is out to steal billions more from yet another American company to help pay for their failed policy's!!!

Let me put it like this. ANYONE can get the open version of Android and do ANYTHING they want with it. This is in fact what Amazon has done. They have their own app store and services. This is in fact what they do in CHINA as Google has zero presence in China!!!

Google has every right to require their services be front and center on any phones using Android. After all that's part of the deal for getting and using the complete version of Android for FREE!!!!!!!!! After all it costs Google Millions of dollars to work on and Improve Android, plus all the FREE Google services, all the Server Farms around the world to make it all work, etc. NONE of these company's are paying for any of that.

You know what this is really about? Think about it a little bit,...... Android has been a race to the bottom in profits. Most making Android phones are making very little from them, and then are expected to support them after they've been sold which costs more money. Many of them end up installing 3rd party crap-ware to make a little extra money. Something that has never been done on a iPhone. The other is Branding. How much to they get having AT&T or Verizon, etc on the outside of the device? Again, something never done with a iPhone. Only thing on an iPhone it's Apple's LOGO on the back. Never AT&T or Sprint or anyone else.

Now Apple makes their money selling Hardware. So it's going to cost more money. Also Apple doesn't have competition from others making iOS hardware. No real race to the bottom like Android. Google is making their money by Ads. Mostly Google Search.

Now tell me, what happens when Company's get rid of Google Search and Google Chrome and replace it with whatever else? Well first thing, Google stops making the money they were from that user(s). Money that pays for them to work on Android and all the FREE services.

Lets take things to a whole higher level. Google Pays Apple a lot of money to be the Default Search Engine. So if I was LG, or Samesung, or whoever, wouldn't I demand money from Google to be the Default Search? After all you are no longer required for them to be on Android!!! Maybe even the Default Browser? I know I would!!!!! Maybe LG gets Microsoft to pay them to make BING the Default search and Edge as the Default browser!!!!

So now you have these comings getting money to be the default Search and browser and who knows what else. Google is getting no money from those phones. Yet they are still demanding FREE Support for other Google services like Google Maps and maybe Google's App store. These things cost MONEY to put up and run, and Mapping earth is not cheap. You think they'll pay some company like Garmin or TomTom for Maps? Or just expect Google to give all this other stuff to them for free?

Remember, You can all ready get the open FREE forked version of Android and do ANYTHING you want. Again, Amazon is doing this and so are a number of Chinese company's for phones there. Nothing is stopping any of these other companies from doing the exact same thing!!!! But see if they have to pay a lot of money for some things, just to get money from company's for other things and you break even or are in fact losing more money. That's not good. That won't work for their plans to make more money.

So Google has a couple options. Only support and Sell the Pixel phones in the EU. Anyone else that wants to sell phones in the EU can do what they're doing in China. Using the forked version of Android. Having their own App Store and other services. Google being closed like Apple, means no 3rd party selling Full Android phones and so they can't demand anything from Google. They are cut out of the loop completely.

The other thing that could be done is say, Ok, you can delete Google Apps, but now you have to PAY to put Full Android on your phone. We'll give you support to the App Store and Security Updates, That's it. Anyone who buys the phone and wants to use Google's Services can start paying Google $20 or something per year. Now you're paying, it's no longer Ad supported like it was. After all, we don't want people paying for something they aren't going to use, right!!!

Google pulled out of China, a 1.4 billion person market. The EU, around 500,000. Google is not going to give them what they want if Google is not making a profit. The simple fact is, You can as a owner delete all the Google Apps, and put anything on you want and make it your default. You can turn a Android phone almost into a Microsoft phone. You can replace Google Search with BING as your Default. You can replace Chrome with the Edge Browser as your Default. You can have Cortana over Google Voice, etc, etc, etc. There is nothing stopping anyone.

So either the people in the EU are just DUMB and LAZY and really just Children that they need the Parents (EU) to go after Google. Or people in the EU are happy with Google and their Services and don't want to change to anything else!!! Trust me, I'm not a fan of Android for a number of reasons, which is why i have iOS devices like the iPhone. This is just really more EU B.S.

What's next, the EU demanding Apple allow iOS to be used for 3rd party phones? I think the EU is just crazy enough to do that at some point.

I wonder if it was Apple Pay ONLY or any NFC? Android Pay or Samesung Pay, and others. Is this Apple finally pushing this or someone else is just doing it?

I think a lot of people really don't know much about it. May never bother to set it up on their phone let alone use it. Apple makes a small cut on all these transactions. They should be out there pushing it far more than they have been. Maybe it's getting time for a few commercials showing off Apple Pay on the phone and Watch using it in places and the benefits.

Yesterday I had Paypal problems. I was half asleep at got some phone call for a 4 digit pin from Paypal. I wasn't sure what happened? I was sleeping, not using Paypal. So when I got to work I just went and changed my password to a 12 Digit randomized one LasPass picked out. Later in the morning at work, I get a Phone call from a person saying they're from Paypal. Seemed to know things, asked me some questions, I maybe shouldn't have answered. Security questions. In the end, hung up. I didn't give out my Password. I started thinking it was strange as I was talking to him, this the call was dropped. So I went and logged into Paypal, and then I looked into the Pre-Approved payment section, there was a new one created just that day that was for "Samsung Pay Inc." Samsung Pay. What the hell? I have never used Samesung Pay. Would never own one of their phones. What the hell is this?

Luckily there were no charges yet. I deactivated it. Changed my password to 14 digits. Changed my security questions. Contacted Paypal and explained things in case something did happen. They asked if I had T-Mobile, that there's a issue with Clone phones or something?!?! So I contacted T-Mobile and tried to explain things. They didn't know what I was talking about. But locked my account to a 6 digit pin. Can't do anything with my account without that.

Found some info about this doing a Google search, and seems this is also a way to gain access to people's gmail account. I guess to gain more access and to a number of places. So I did a random generated 14 digit password for my gmail account. I think I'm just going to have to bite the bullet and start changing my passwords everywhere to different 14 digit random passwords. Then just rely on Lastpass a whole lot more.

So watch out!!! Best to use LONG random, different passwords at each web site and turn on 2 factor when possible. I have a Security Key for Paypal, where I have to enter password and the random 6 digit code it throws out, but you can get around that key by using the security questions. They really need to allow use of a authenticator. Where you can use Google's, or Microsoft's, or LastPass, etc. Because it's much more secure than being sent a SMS text file which can be intercepted.

elijahg said:

nunzy said:

It looks like they learned a valuable lesson. If you mess with Apple, you get hammered.

The one that's going to get hammered is Apple, if they continue with this anticompetitive behaviour. The new rule that "transactions taking place within mirrored software do not need to use in-app purchase, provided the transactions are processed on the host device." is probably a way to skirt this.

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One of the first things I did besides throwing up a large Antenna as a cable cutter was to wire my house with Cat6. I ran the cable under my house as my attic was just not practical. I ran power to my Closet that is in the middle of my house, but to get power there, I had to cut out the ceiling, fish a power cable to that location because as I said, attic wasn't practical. I have a low slope roof. Can only move around part way in the middle. It's very claustrophobic. Once got the wire there, I patched it back up as you can do that easy enough with drywall.

So all my Network stuff I have in that closet. I have a 24 port switch. I have run Cat6 from there into all my rooms. Some have 2 cables running into the room, some have 4, or more. All going to keystones in the rooms where you can plug right in.

I always say, things that don't move, PLUG-IN, things that move around on Wifi. So Xbox or AppleTV, etc that sit there are Plugged in. iPhone, iPad, on Wifi. I have a single ASUS router in that closet that handles my whole house, along with my Cable Modem and NAS and other things. Your Wifi Router normally has a Ethernet Switch built into it. It may have 1 port or 4 ports. You can get simple Unmanaged switches for cheap. 7 ports or like me 24 ports, though I have since gotten a Managed Switch. For most home users, you don't need or want a managed switch. Get a switch, and all you have to do is run a Ethernet cable from your router switch into your new Unmanaged Switch. That's it, and you now have more ports depending on how large of a switch you get. You can run a single Ethernet cable into a room and then Plug a small 5 port Ethernet switch in that room and then plug all your devices into that and have a small Siwtch in all your rooms instead of a single Large switch. It's pretty simple.

There are a number of tricks you can do to wire your house. If you rent, generally you're out of luck. There are some ways to wire up and be hidden without making holes everywhere. Ethernet is just going to be faster and more reliable. Wired is just better that wireless. These days are you get more and more devices that work only on wifi because of Home control, like myself with a growing Homekit house, getting as much OFF of Wifi that you can is even more important.

If you own your own place and can get under under your house or in the attic. Running Ethernet wire is not that hard. Cutting a hole in the wall for a low voltage box, and connecting to keystones to pop into a wall plate is not hard at all. Fishing wires is not hard. Cost is pretty CHEAP. I got all I needed from Monoprice.com. I was under my house for a couple days running a bunch of Ethernet, COAX cable for the Antenna, and ground wire for a couple rooms as I wanted grounded power outlets. That as just getting wires from point A to point B. That was 5 years ago and I haven't had to touch it sense. I would like to run Ethernet out to the garage and to a POE switch where I can have a few outside POE IP camera's on the outside of my garage. That's a future project.