danvm

rfrmac said:

Why aren't we surprised.  Copy, Copy, Copy is all they know.  And be sure to introduce the product just before the others do their intro or product updates.  

I suppose that Apple did the same as Samsung, copying Sonos, Denon Heos, Harman/Kardon and other wireless speakers manufacturers, right? BTW, H/K already had a speaker very similar to the HomePod, the Aura. And now Samsung acquire them. So I suppose that Apple copied a Samsung device.  

boltsfan17 said:

igorsky said:

It's not challenging HomePod, at all.

Who knows. Samsung did buy Harman so they could have a Harman or JBL speaker for their smartspeaker. 

The companies Samsung acquired in the process were JBL, Harman Kardon, Mark Levinson, AKG, Lexicon, Infinity, and Revel.  Plus they have access to licenses from Bowers & Wilkins and Bang & Olufsen.  Those are big names in the sound industry, with more experience than Apple + Beats.  I see no reason for Samsung to release a speaker with better sound quality than the competition, including Apple.  

tallest skil said:

danvm said:

I don't see how your post is related to it.   

  TL;DR: You're wrong.

No, I don't think so.  ATV have many positives things, but gaming is not one of them, and IMO 4K won't change that.

williamlondon said:

danvm said:

williamlondon said:

danvm said:

The Surface line has been near-tractionless since introduction, if not compeletely tractionless relative to its competition. These frankentablets sell nowhere near iPad levels and barely crack the million units mark - that's actually *fewer* than Macs. That's right... MS' barnstormer answer to the iPad (or whatever their positioning was... try figuring *that* one out) can't even come close to beating a bad Mac quarter. 

I suppose that the "near traction less" term applies to Apple, since Mac have been in the market for +30 years, and still about 10% of marketshare.  

And it isn't like the Surface line offers an exclusively special experience relative to the competition. You get Windows shoehorned into a tablet, without the best of both worlds. 

There are a few things the Surface line does over the competition, including Apple.  They had an Intel i5 fanless, something I wasn't expecting in something this small.  The Surface Pro has a kickstand, which is a far better than the single position of the iPad Smart Keyboard.  You posted before that you still figuring how MS positioned the Surface Pro.  I suppose you have the same issue with the iPad, since Apple talk before about the "toaster/fridge" device, and now we see that they are doing the same with the iPad Pro as a desktop replacement.  With the iPad Pro you cannot have the "best of both worlds" when it's used as a desktop replacement.  With the Surface Pro you have a better keyboard w/ trackpad, so you can use it as a full desktop replacement.  Plus the Pen has an eraser, that's very helpful for people who, as me, use their Surface as a note taking device.  Those are a few advantages that came to my mind, from many others.

That high satisfaction rating that is the only metric really going for it? I remember Windows Phone got one too, years ago. Sometimes it's an aberration. 

For years I have read it these forums that customer satisfaction is the most important metric.  Was something that Mac's carried over PC's, even though they have low sales compare to major vendors.  So now that's not important.  Interesting...

Surface has been a failure. It's another MS abortion that they'll hang on to like grim death until there's nothing left. Like old underwear.  And that AIO line that they released last year? Whatever happened to it? Buzz for maybe a week or two and then forgotten. That's Microsoft for ya. Since forever.

How are they a failure?  Based in customer satisfaction, they have been a success case.  Every review has been very positive and even the Surface Pro 4 had a higher customer satisfaction compared to iPad.  Sales?  Do you really expect that in 4 years the had the same sales as iPad and Macs?  Like I mentioned before, Mac have been around for +30 years with over 10% of marketshare.  So in your dictionary, that's a failure, and I don't agree with it. 

Still peddling your Microshit apologism on an Apple fan site?

So this site is for Apple fanboys?  I didn't know that.  I read and post in this website as an Apple and MS customer.  Fanboys are only focused in see what's good, but reject criticism even when it's needed.  I'm not like that.  I have devices from both companies, and have no issues pointing the good/bad things of bothh.  But it looks that's a that's something hard for you to do, specially for Apple products, right?

Don't use the term fanboys, it's an epithet, it's intended to convey a derogatory meaning, so stop it. Once you use it, you lose any argument you're trying to make.

I didn't call you or someone a fanboy, I just use the term in a rhetoric question.  I didn't expect the term to be offensive, but since English is not my main language maybe I'm wrong.  I could have use the term "Apple fan", but I see no issues of being an Apple fan.  Many people, including me, love many their devices and product and that's the reason I read this website, among others.  But I don't see why is wrong to point out when the competition do as good or better.  I suppose Apple fans don't see an issue either, since they want Apple to be better.  But Apple (or any vendor) fanboys get offended and start criticizing back without good arguments.  At least that's what I have seen.  

The Surface line has been near-tractionless since introduction, if not compeletely tractionless relative to its competition. These frankentablets sell nowhere near iPad levels and barely crack the million units mark - that's actually *fewer* than Macs. That's right... MS' barnstormer answer to the iPad (or whatever their positioning was... try figuring *that* one out) can't even come close to beating a bad Mac quarter. 

I suppose that the "near traction less" term applies to Apple, since Mac have been in the market for +30 years, and still about 10% of marketshare.  

And it isn't like the Surface line offers an exclusively special experience relative to the competition. You get Windows shoehorned into a tablet, without the best of both worlds. 

There are a few things the Surface line does over the competition, including Apple.  They had an Intel i5 fanless, something I wasn't expecting in something this small.  The Surface Pro has a kickstand, which is a far better than the single position of the iPad Smart Keyboard.  You posted before that you still figuring how MS positioned the Surface Pro.  I suppose you have the same issue with the iPad, since Apple talk before about the "toaster/fridge" device, and now we see that they are doing the same with the iPad Pro as a desktop replacement.  With the iPad Pro you cannot have the "best of both worlds" when it's used as a desktop replacement.  With the Surface Pro you have a better keyboard w/ trackpad, so you can use it as a full desktop replacement.  Plus the Pen has an eraser, that's very helpful for people who, as me, use their Surface as a note taking device.  Those are a few advantages that came to my mind, from many others.

That high satisfaction rating that is the only metric really going for it? I remember Windows Phone got one too, years ago. Sometimes it's an aberration. 

For years I have read it these forums that customer satisfaction is the most important metric.  Was something that Mac's carried over PC's, even though they have low sales compare to major vendors.  So now that's not important.  Interesting...

Surface has been a failure. It's another MS abortion that they'll hang on to like grim death until there's nothing left. Like old underwear.  And that AIO line that they released last year? Whatever happened to it? Buzz for maybe a week or two and then forgotten. That's Microsoft for ya. Since forever.

How are they a failure?  Based in customer satisfaction, they have been a success case.  Every review has been very positive and even the Surface Pro 4 had a higher customer satisfaction compared to iPad.  Sales?  Do you really expect that in 4 years the had the same sales as iPad and Macs?  Like I mentioned before, Mac have been around for +30 years with over 10% of marketshare.  So in your dictionary, that's a failure, and I don't agree with it.