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rcfa said:

So, for all these years there was no arm64 version of a JVM?

For Linux, yes - I run it on a Raspberry Pi I have available - it can even run Java Minecraft (badly, the GPU in a Pi is extremely weak and has not seen the improvements the CPU has in the past 8 years). OpenJDK has been available on Windows ARM version since earlier this year.

Rayz2016 said:

How is Groovy doing these days?

One thing I know is that it is getting a small foothold in Java unit/integration testing with the Spock framework.

rob53 said:

Why? Java isn't going to make use of all the Apple-specific capabilities, it's just going to continue to run on Macs. What Java applications do people even use anymore?

Eclipse, IntelliJ and a million in-house enterprise applications - you do like Macs being used in businesses right?

Minecraft

This is likely to create a downward pressure on Intel's margins in the long term, as they find themselves having to compete not only against AMD who do price competitively and who finally have a compelling product, but against large OEMs coming out with their own ARM SoC designs for their Windows devices, using recently announced ARM Cortex X1 (and future enhancements). They might not compete with Apple Silicon but they could let the OEMs drop pricing significantly.

OTOH Qualcomm are institutionally unable to price their SoCs cheaply, nor get the best performance out of them, so maybe less pressure from updated 8cx chips.

blastdoor said:

If Geekbench is running through Rosetta then these numbers are actually pretty impressive. 800/1100 = 72% of full performance when running emulated code? That's really impressive. 

That's right.

Also consider that Geekbench is a benchmark - it's a pure x86-64 kernel running in isolation, so it's 100% worst case scenario.

Most applications will call out to the system to do even the simplest of things - which is pure native.