andrewj5790

qwwera said:

Widgets!

With Android you still get funky useless widgets!

Don't forget the amazingness of customizable widgets!

...and side-loadable malware!!

And a back button!! My brother in law switched from android to iPhone, loved it, then switched back because the iPhone doesn't have a back button... lol

Android... lol! Rofl! 

dick applebaum said:

andrewj5790 said:

True. I misread that. Mea Culpa. However, as Sog pointed out. 500,000 mac Pros is a product worth dropping when you're a company who sells millions of other Macs and ios devices, so my point is the same.

Honest questions:

• if Apple sells 500,000 Mac Pros, that's a $1.5-3.5 Billion business -- is that a business worth dropping?
• Apple would still need to develop and maintain macOS and Mac peripherals -- would dropping the Mac Pro really save any costs?
• what do Apple employees use internally for their high-performance needs?
• what computer hardware does Apple use for R&D to design and develop Apple products? 
  
• Federighi said: "I think if you use Xcode downloads as a metric, it’s possible software developers are actually our largest pro audience. It’s growing very quickly, it’s been fantastic.” -- isn't software development important to Apple and Apple's customers? *
• doesn't Apple need to have some skin in the game for maintain their ability to do high performance Mac and iDevice development?

* As to software development, try generating some of the IBM/Swift packages using CLI or Xcode -- requires a bit of time on a loaded iMac 5K

My point wasn't that apple SHOULD drop Mac Pro. I don't think they should. There was a business argument to be made that they should, however because of the niche market. My point was that today's announcement proves that the hand wringing was incorrect (specifically regarding Tim Cook placing profits above all else) and they ARE making the arguments you just made (that I agree with) internally, and those arguments carried the day. 

Good. Touchscreen desktops are a worse idea than touchscreen laptops.

linkman said:

andrewj5790 said:

linkman said:

If this refresh/update comes out in 2018, then it's what, only three years late?

Never good enough for some people. How miserable.

It was released on December 19, 2013. The next update of ANY kind was April 4, 2017. In the computer world, that's a long time. Waiting until *maybe* 2018 or later for a significant upgrade to what is supposed to be the professional workstation model with huge amounts of processing power is simply asking for some dissatisfied customers.

I'm sorry but there's simply nothing that Apple could do that would have sirisfied some of the people who post on the blogs and rumor sites. Nothing. Also, the fact that Apple didn't just drop the Mac Pro when they said in the DF piece that it accounts for a single digit percentage of PRO users, (not overall users, not Mac users, but people who use a pro level app daily or at least once a week) is a very very good sign that all the whining about the doom of Apple and Tim Cook, yadda yadda, was a lot of wasted breath, typing, and energy.