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Wall Street adjusts Apple expectations after Tim Cook 'rips the Band-Aid off'
Facebook is up 12% after hours. Why? Yes they reported good numbers but more importantly they have a good story to tell and they tell it well. What is Apple's story? All we got on the conference call was FX, FX and more FX. Oh and a pretty useless slide about "services" which at this point are mostly App Store and iTunes downloads. Until Apple finds its story and tells it in a compelling way I think the stock is stuck in the mud. -
Wall Street adjusts Apple expectations after Tim Cook 'rips the Band-Aid off'
foggyhill said:anantksundaram said:I have not read the prior comments, and look forward to doing so later today, but my 2¢ is that Apple has currently no narrative or vision to offer the market, and the market is making up its own. As it always does.
Cook just does not appear to be comfortable creating, managing, massaging, reinforcing such a narrative, and I think the Board is utterly useless/absent at this point (it's a bunch of mediocre people and has-beens anyway).
I find it particularly puzzling, given how passionate Tim Cook can be on matters that concern him personally. Why can't he bring the same passion to addressing his shareholders' genuine concerns? (And I am not talking about -- I could care less about -- the fly-by-nights and the drive-by shareholders here). Weird....
Operations people and most engineers are hopeless communicators, especially when it comes to a lofty future.
Scientists/Inventors are much better; they have a twinkle in their eyes that cannot be reproduced.
Google make due for no real good communicators by essentially publicizing their R&D as it goes and hyper-diversifying,
Amazon does it by pushing so hard on revenue development that they always use that as an excuse for not having decent profits.
Apple will generate 200B profits in the next 4 years even if they coast, adding it to their current haul, they are in a better position than any company out there to weather macro economic problems and go do whatever they want.
I do think it's a bit unfair that Cook is put in a position where he can't really win. Last year's gangbuster results (that one, especially analyst expected made it so) made it very hard to duplicate the following year, especially with the currency rise.
Jobs had a lot less expectations put on him, the Ipod took 3-4 years to really be a hit and even the Iphone took 2 years.
It's only when Jobs came back to Apple that he had this level of expectations put on him; and at that point, just surviving was a success.
I don't think even Jobs could manage this kind of massive expectations, though Wall Street would likely prefer his aspirational messaging, even if it were pure BS, than the current crew of not so adept communicator of straight reality. -
Wall Street adjusts Apple expectations after Tim Cook 'rips the Band-Aid off'
flaneur said:Apple needs to make their products SEXY again. And sweat the details. There has been a lack of this. Look at the Watch, the iPhone6, AppleTV4, and iPad Pro. All 4 are handsome devices but not sexy at all. In fact competing devices like Samsung Galaxy look nicer. -
Wall Street adjusts Apple expectations after Tim Cook 'rips the Band-Aid off'
Every time Apple goes through a bit of a downturn people panic and come up with crazy ideas. Back in 2013 one analyst started floating rumors about the board looking to replace Tim Cook. Now you have analysts saying Apple to spend its cash to buy growth. Right, because large acquisitions have turned out great for other companies in the past. Then you get the clowns that say Wall Street loves Google and Facebook so Apple needs to get into ads and social networking. It's all nonsense. Maybe Apple isn't a growth story so much anymore. So what? Who else is generating the kind of revenue, profits and cash flow that Apple is? No one. Sure Amazon can grow their top line 20% but they have next to no profit to show for it and there's zero indication meaningful profits will be flowing anytime soon. Has there ever been a company receiving so much doom and gloom after reporting 18 BILLION in profit for ONE QUARTER? Most Fortune 500 companies don't post that for an entire year much less one quarter yet here we are questioning whether we're seeing peak Apple. Seriously? -
Wall Street adjusts Apple expectations after Tim Cook 'rips the Band-Aid off'
I think Apple still has a messaging issue. It's kind of weird seeing this abrupt transition to talking about install base and services. Just a couple months ago it was all about iPad Pro yet iPad Pro was barely mentioned yesterday. That 60 Minutes profile in December didn't focus on software or services at all yet now that's how Tim and Luca want us to view the company. Without an actual services story to tell this seems a bit desperate, sort of like the iPhone story isn't so great right now so let's pivot to services instead. I think it comes across as confusing and maybe a bit dingenuous. Tim and Luca gave no insight on monitization of the user base. They just threw out a supplemental slide with services revenue, most of which is probably App Store and iTunes sales.
If Apple is now going to switch the focus to services and monetizing the user base then they need someone better than Eddy Cue to drive that initiative. His organization is the weakest inside Apple IMO and all we'v3 gotten from him is the stupid Beats purchase and a me-zoo streaming music service that tries to do way to much and doesn't end up doing any of it great. Another thing, there's nothing sexy about "monetizing the user base". As a product company first and foremost, how does Apple keep up the excitement level transitioning to a "services" company?