rogifan_old

digitalclips said:

tezgno said:

While I can understand bashing the competition... unfortunately, this issue can't be blamed on the Microsoft Surface (or Microsoft at all). As has been reported on (and confirmed by) the NFL before, the issue has nothing to do with the Surface. Rather, it's the NFL's servers and application that went down (hence why it goes down across multiple teams at the same time). The tablet runs an application that connects to NFL servers and pulls in data including pictures, replay information, etc. It is that system that has been going down recently. To be honest, while Microsoft has paid a large sum of money for their tablets to be shown and used, the entire process is technically platform agnostic. They can run the application on anything. Unfortunately, it wouldn't matter which tablet they chose in these cases... if their servers are down, then there is nothing that can be done.

Out of curiosity, if all you say is true about the NFL set up, and I don't doubt you, isn't Microsoft's advertising disingenuous then?  They certainly make it seem the Microsoft Surface is the be all and end all of the process with no mention it is actually irrelevant since "the entire process is technically platform agnostic."  

This is Microsoft spending $400M on branding. Watch any NFL pre-game show or the commentary booth during a PGA tournament. Nobody is actually using the Surface, it's just there as a prop. It's just there so Microsoft can have their logo plastered all over the field, player benches, studio etc. I'd be curious to know if this $80M paid to the NFL has actually translated into more sales. I'm skeptical.

cnocbui said:

rogifan_old said:

What the heck is 1010data? Sorry your source is laughable. Let Microsoft provide actual sales figures and then we can compare to iPad.

A company that Dun & Bradstreet saw fit to partner with.

" Dun & Bradstreet (DNB) and 1010data today announced a strategic partnership that aims to provide a solution to hedge funds and asset managers seeking insights and analytics that go beyond traditional analysis of financial statements and key financial ratios. Through the strategic partnership, Dun & Bradstreet's content, including key business performance data, will be made available through the 1010data platform, providing an enhanced solution to customers."

Obviously they are highly disreputable.  I believe their goal is to eventually work their way down to DEDs level.

Sorry I have no time for data like that, even if there are times its favorable to Apple. The only data that matters is what Apple and Microsoft provide. I have yet to see any financial data from Microsoft that suggests Surface is outselling iPad.

tmay said:

Badstroller said:

Mmmm yes, it's failing so badly that Apple decided that it needed to make a "Pro" version of the iPad to "compete" with it. I will not argue the sales or revenue numbers. I admit that Apple is the unopposed king as far as raw revenue and margin go. However, the Surface line has done a lot to reinvigorate the Windows OEM landscape. Overall build quality has drastically increased in the high end windows space over the last few years in response to MS actually investing time and effort into showing what an innovative and premium Windows experience can be. My college campus is filled with 2 in 1 touchscreen Windows laptops and tablets. Surface may not move the same numbers as MacBook and iPad, but you're forgetting that there is an entire Windows ecosystem out there to choose from, you aren't limited to the five or 6 offerings that Apple has to offer. MS and Apple have strikingly different business models and to judge the success of any given product line by using the same criteria as the other is absolute lunacy. 

I'm thinking that Apple waited until they had a processor developed that could give them the performance that they needed to created a larger "Pro" iPad, which had likely been on Apple's roadmap for the last 5 years.. But you should stick with your story.

Sadly, MS fucked up the Surface rollout so badly that they likely lost the mobile tablet market. But hey, look at our hybrids! Sure, we're cannibalizing laptops, but it's not like it's zero sum for us! We're making billions!

Check out the forums on windowscentral.com. Both Surface Pro 4 and Surface Book are mired with issues. And it's basically silence from Microsoft. Part of me wonders if it isn't a bit of arrogance on Microsoft's part. I remember last year when Surface Book came out and all the tech sites drooled over it because of its sleek industrial design (personally I think that fulcrum hinge is fugly) and Steve Ballmer said only Microsoft could challenge Apple in the hardware space. A couple tech sites did puff pieces with Panos Panay who basically admitted he wakes up every day with Apple on the brain, trying to figure out how to beat Apple. Maybe they're finding out what Apple does isn't as easy as it looks and it isn't just throwing off the shelf parts in a pretty box and calling it a day. I said from day one that the Surface Book was an over engineered, indulgent product and I stand by that. It was designed to impress the tech press more than anything else but other than the so-called sleek design it's not making a great impression.

cnocbui said:

rogifan_old said:

You know what's hilarious about this...just as Microsoft is getting commentators to stop calling these iPads, something malfunctions. Even if it had nothing to do with the Surface itself that's all the people watching are going to remember.

As far as Surfaces selling like hotcakes...since Microsoft has never provided sales figures how would we know? And I have a feeling there are quite a few returns considering all the issues the devices are having. https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/microsoft-surface/64095/welcome-to-surfacegate

Well sales of the Surface overtook sales of iPads, for the first time, in Oct 2015.  I suspect the data collection method doesn't account for sales from The Apple Store, but it does refute DED's claim of "Surface has been an embarrassing commercial failure for Microsoft".  It's pretty clear the Surface is now selling well.

What the heck is 1010data? Sorry your source is laughable. Let Microsoft provide actual sales figures and then we can compare to iPad.

You know what's hilarious about this...just as Microsoft is getting commentators to stop calling these iPads, something malfunctions. Even if it had nothing to do with the Surface itself that's all the people watching are going to remember.

As far as Surfaces selling like hotcakes...since Microsoft has never provided sales figures how would we know? And I have a feeling there are quite a few returns considering all the issues the devices are having. https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/microsoft-surface/64095/welcome-to-surfacegate