Gilliam_Bates

If you’re good at business you succeed. If you’re not then your fellow citizens will choose the best the market has to offer. Would you like to stop competitors from being good at inventing, or do you intend to block your people from buying the best products the market has to offer, Mr Le Maire? No, didn’t think so. So, stop whining, and start helping your own citizens to build a better innovation climate. Nobody’s blocking that, except the people holding the government money. Oh wait, that’s you.

johnbear said:

“wants to pay nothing”? I guess anything less than 30% is nothing for Apple 

But whether a 30% or 26% or 32% fee is better is actually a toootally different discussion. It can probably only be found out if we know the consumer value and developer value of every single service the App Store and the Apple Developer Program gives. But we would also then need to know the costs of providing them, which would require Apple to open up their financial books. I seriously don't think neither of these things will happen.

However, I would actually advice Apple to consider publishing something about their costs for upholding this app publishing ecosystem. I know it sounds radical, but I think it could be a smooth move right now — not only for the Epic court case, but also to win back the public opinion and trust … especially from developers.

johnbear said:

Imagine visa and MasterCard charging merchants 30% to use their system;)

Eaxctly what products do Visa and Mastercard sell through their cards? I must've missed their "card stores".
But sure, let's imagine that. You're free to imagine anything. Let's imagine pigs flying. That would be so fun.

Rayz2016 said:

carnegie said:

22july2013 said:

Is Apple required to let Epic back on the store even if Epic relents and wants to pay 30%?

The court may order it to, but as of now it has not so ordered Apple.

Apple has informed Epic that it will deny a reapplication (by Epic) for at least a year. So at this point, Epic doesn't have the option to just undo the hotfix and make Fortnite compliant.

Have you got a statement from Apple about the year-long ban? This is the se ind time I’ve heard this, and I still can’t find the original link for it. 

What I think he means is the Apple Developer Program. Apple has rules for reapplying to that program if you've been kicked out from it — one year minimum in the quarantine. Apple also clearly emphasized that in the legal documents sent to court and Epic in this case. So the net effect is that Epic can't submit any new version of any of their software for publishing in the App Store for at least a year.

darkvader said:

Hopefully Apple will be hit with severe sanctions for filing this frivolous action.  This may even qualify for California's SLAPP law because it's such an egregious and obvious attempt to silence Epic (and ultimately the rest of us).

This isn't really about Epic.

This is about MY right to install any software of MY choice on MY iPhone. 

NOT Apple's iPhone.  MY iPhone.  Apple sold it to me, it's not Apple's any more.  And Apple is illegally denying me the right to run software of my choice on MY iPhone.

For the hundredth time, dude… You own your iPhone device, and you can jail brake it is much as you like. But Apple owns iOS and App Store running on it, and you can't expect them to assist you in bypassing them or their rules. If you want to use those two Apple-owned entities, of course you have to do it according to Apple's rules. Like all other services out there. So go ahead and jail brake your iPhone, like you always could. Where have you been the last few weeks? Everyone knows about this since long by now – even the haters. Or is your tape just stuck in a loop?