matrix077

linuxplatform said:

1. The people who back Apple's position refuse to acknowledge the ability to install third party apps and app stores on macOS.

Who refused to acknowledge it? 

If I quote Steve Jobs every haters would say I'm a loyalist but he's right. iOS devices are different than Mac (a car to a truck). In my personal experience, people who using iPhone, iPad are my parents, my aunt, my uncle, my wife, my brother's wife etc.. The people who will never use a Mac or PC. People who's not a techie.
People who's needed to be protected.
(A guy above even said the same thing, that iOS devices is a critical communication devices that needs to be functioning all the time. Something that needs to be protected)

A great thing about iOS devices is it's thoroughly controlled by one company. That IS a great thing, not a flaw.
If you want differently, there's an Android.

We’re in the world where ransom ware is a real threat folks. Be careful what you wish for. 

rcfa said:

Beats said:

Apple stunting innovation.... What a fu**ing joke.

Also Epic Games has a monopoly on Epic Games Store.

No, they don’t. Because if you so choose, you can buy apps e.g. directly from developers or from other app stores.
On iOS, you can’t.

For a good reason, to protect users, which Epic Stores or other stores seem not to care. 

muthuk_vanalingam said:

qwerty52 said:

muthuk_vanalingam said:

danvm said:

sflocal said:

Developers that whine about this policies really chaff my backside.  Absolute the most selfish, greedy, entitled people around.  Apple does all the work creating a groundbreaking new product, getting a loyal - and profitable - user base, and created an ecosystem that allows anyone to develop software and have access to hundreds of millions of users at MINIMAL cost.

Don't think that developers deserve some praise for the success of iOS / iPadOS devices?

Those users are Apple's users, not yours.  It's Apple's product, and their ecosystem.  Not yours.  You obviously were too young (or ignorant) about how us developers had to develop/market/sell/charge for software back in the pre-iPhone days.  Otherwise, you'd be thanking Apple for taking "only" 30%.  

The reality is, Android is a mess, piracy and IP theft is rampant, and security is non-existent, and these blowholes want to force Apple to adopt such a system?  Good luck.

You are wrong here.  User / customers are shared between Apple and the developer.  What Apple has in their App Store is hard work from developers too, doesn't matter if it's inside the Apple ecosystem.  Maybe it's an Apple's device, but it's the developer app.

Absolutely spot on. iPhones are ruling the high-end smartphone market, because of "Developers" creating high quality apps for the iOS platform. Their contribution CANNOT be washed away by anyone making silly claims.

No, I will put it so: Because of iPhones are ruling the high-end smartphone market, "Developers" are creating high quality apps for the iOS platform. 

My iPhone is working perfectly fine with Apple’s only applications. That’s the reason I bought it! And not because I could play eventually some games. This is the first! Then I can go possibly to the AppStore and buy somethings from the developers. But only because I know: It is secur.

Are you so sure about the point bolded by me?????? Are you really, really serious???? You are fine with NO third party apps like uber/facebook/google maps/twitter/banking/food delivery apps etc???? And do you believe that almost ALL of the 1 billion users of iOS devices think likewise???

People like you makes discussion impossible. Sigh..

All the apps you listed are free or mostly free and isn’t the problem the topic talking about. Apple doesn’t charge them a cent and didn’t get a cent from them. 

crowley said:

matrix077 said:

ivanh said:

Xcode and Swift change too frequent and prematurely and the inconsistencies in coding force app development expensive because every coder needs to keep update and workaround Swift and Xcode problems. Apps are shallow and lack of depth.  Old bugs stay as is for years because apps only focus on “new features”. 
Monopoly of App Stores is like running a totalitarian regime. 

Don’t do it then. Find a regime you like, or another profession.

All good now?

Why is this the response to discussion of Apple's problems?  I'm an Apple enthusiast and I want Apple to fix problems, not to drive away users to other platforms.  

I don’t think 30% cut is a problem. I remember that not too long ago the distribution costs are much more than this. I’m being realistic.
What’s the problem of 30% cut?

muthuk_vanalingam said:

matrix077 said:

muthuk_vanalingam said:

danvm said:

sflocal said:

Developers that whine about this policies really chaff my backside.  Absolute the most selfish, greedy, entitled people around.  Apple does all the work creating a groundbreaking new product, getting a loyal - and profitable - user base, and created an ecosystem that allows anyone to develop software and have access to hundreds of millions of users at MINIMAL cost.

Don't think that developers deserve some praise for the success of iOS / iPadOS devices?

Those users are Apple's users, not yours.  It's Apple's product, and their ecosystem.  Not yours.  You obviously were too young (or ignorant) about how us developers had to develop/market/sell/charge for software back in the pre-iPhone days.  Otherwise, you'd be thanking Apple for taking "only" 30%.  

The reality is, Android is a mess, piracy and IP theft is rampant, and security is non-existent, and these blowholes want to force Apple to adopt such a system?  Good luck.

You are wrong here.  User / customers are shared between Apple and the developer.  What Apple has in their App Store is hard work from developers too, doesn't matter if it's inside the Apple ecosystem.  Maybe it's an Apple's device, but it's the developer app.

Absolutely spot on. iPhones are ruling the high-end smartphone market, because of "Developers" creating high quality apps for the iOS platform. Their contribution CANNOT be washed away by anyone making silly claims.

Nothing spot on on that post (and yours). People buys iPhone because it's iPhone first and foremost, not because it runs this app and that app. People can find most apps on Android anyway.
If you think iPhone depend greatly on your app why don't put your money where your mouth is? Pull your apps away from iPhone and see if users flock away, or you'll just leave space for other devs to fill.

I am NOT an App developer for iOS or Android. So your personal attacks on me are pretty meaningless. Re-read your own post many times (millions of times if required) until it gets to your head that "Apple needs developers" to keep their platform "healthy" and "desirable". The relationship between Apple and Developers is that of "Partners", not "Master (Apple) / Servant (Developers)" as many of you seem to imply.

Who implied that Apple is master? I only saw some implied that developers are too greedy and self entitled.