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Google to kill support for iPhone 6s-era Nexus phones and all of its tablets in Android P
Google chose not to support Trebel on the Nexus phones and Pixel C referred to in this article last year. So it could have supported those users, but decided they weren't worth it.Ancalagon said:This article is dishonest by omission. It makes some fair points but the lack of honesty betrays the core point. 1) No mention of Project Treble. For those not aware, Project Treble is Google's development of a stable HAL between the vendor implementation (Qualcomm, Samsung/Exynos, Mediatek, Huawei/Kirin) and the system (Android). All devices launching on Android 8 or higher are required by Google to be able to boot a generic AOSP system image (GSI). Moving forward, this means that even if the chip maker obsoletes their drivers, it won't matter, because Android the OS will have a robust HAL that allows the new OS to talk to the old vendor implementation. As part of this, Google got the Linux Kernel LTS maintainer to agree to provide six (6) years of security patches to the kernel instead of the current two (2) year support. How can Google or any other manufacturer be expected to provide security updates to the Linux kernel when the Linux kernel maintainers themselves aren't? This is now fixed. Google couldn't provide long term security or update support in large part because of the Linux kernel, but now they can. 2) it's been discussed ad-nauseaum, but Apple OS updates and Google OS updates are very different. Google releases its core apps as store updates, not bundled with the OS, whereas Apple you need the new version to get the new core apps. While Android devices should run the latest software (see #1), an 'outdated' Android device is very different from an outdated iOS device. Are these excuses? No, not at all, they are/were very real problems inside of the Google ecosystem. But for someone writing an article on Google device obsolescence and completely leave out all that Google has been doing (and succeeding at) over the last year to fix the problems? Dishonest, very dishonest.
If Google can't be bothered to implement Trebel, why will the Android licensees that already can't be bothered to ship updates go through this extra work to make sure people who previously gave them money will keep using an old phone that doesn't benefit said maker anymore?If you're going to complain about dishonestly leaving out facts to create a misleading argument, take a look in the mirror.
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Google to kill support for iPhone 6s-era Nexus phones and all of its tablets in Android P
Is Microsoft short of cash? Is it still making Zunes and Surface RT?crowley said:
Are you suggesting that Google's relative lack of success in hardware means they're short of cash? Because that seems a rather flawed line of argument.DanielEran said:
We've been hearing about Google potentially building its own chips, but how will it fund such a massive undertaking when it can barely sell 4.5m Pixel phones across two years, and can’t sell tablet despite a decade of trying? Pull some magic answer out of your butt because there’s no rational answer in the real world.
No? Why do you think that might be?
Is Google making Nexus Players? Why do you suppose not?Despite the theory that "Google is our friend blowing stupid amounts of cash on horseshit going nowhere and will forever," it is actually a public company. -
Google to kill support for iPhone 6s-era Nexus phones and all of its tablets in Android P
If Microsoft dropped upcoming Windows support for its own two-year-old Surface PCs and said, "hey folks it's okay you can still update your Windows apps and occasionally get updates to the services that make us money: Explorer, our app market, and our other inititives," would anyone really be needing to make excuses for why it was okay to abandon those machines?cropr said:Just to make things clear.1) The Nexus 5X, 6P and the Pixel C will receive security updates for another year.2) Standard apps (Contacts, Agenda, Browsing engine, ...) are getting updates with the Play Services and not as part of the Android updates, which is different from the iOS world where everything is updated as part of a new version of iOS. The impacted devices will keep getting Play Services updates.Point 2 is nice, but the 1 year of point 1 is not long enough in my opinion.
Microsoft didn't even ditch is poor selling, flop Surface RT systems as quickly as Google is throwing its Nexus & Pixel C customers to the curb. Nexus was supposedly a real installed base of users.The fact that APPLEInsider has a half dozen apologists like yourself posting daily spin on why Google's atrocious behavior is fine and okay and acceptable (and not just its shoddy support for third-party Androids, but even its suposed "in-house, designed by Google, pure Android" products) really tells you something. You guys are like russian troll bot farms with hours of time to excuse Google.
You're all so transparently phony: Cropr, Gatorguy, ad nauseam.
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Google to kill support for iPhone 6s-era Nexus phones and all of its tablets in Android P
It is entirely acccurate because software patches (if Google actually maintains them; it has a history of forgetting about hardware it sold that has serious security flaws) are not “future updates of products.”gatorguy said:
Not entirely accurate as they will still receive monthly security updates. They'll also receive continue to receive updates to the Google core apps. They won't receive the Android P operating system tho as you properly pointed out. In fairness, and as the author likely knows, this is less impactful on an Android device than it would be on an iDevice not receiving an OS update as Google has increasingly separated new features announced with new OS versions as well as current security updates from needing a full OS update to receive them.AppleInsider said:Google's upcoming release of the next version of Android OS will abandon support for all Nexus-branded phones and its sole remaining tablet product, Pixel C, ending future updates for products that were sold two years ago.
Of course it would still be better to receive the full OS, advantage Apple here to no surprise. The rumors of Google creating their own chips could certainly be due in part to Qualcomm and their reported lack of ongoing support for older processors.
We've been hearing about Google potentially building its own chips, but how will it fund such a massive undertaking when it can barely sell 4.5m Pixel phones across two years, and can’t sell tablet despite a decade of trying?
Pull some magic answer out of your butt because there’s no rational answer in the real world.
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Why Apple's HomePod targets home entertainment, not a voice-first mobile-free world
No that's incorrect. The point of the article is that Apple isn't trying to rival Alexa/Assistant as a voice platform because:cgWerks said:Essentially, though, the article could be summarized by.... 'even if Siri sucks, it still has a much bigger install base.' It's hard to argue with that, I guess. But, Windows had a much bigger install base than Mac, too, which said little about quality. And, if we step back a couple decades, not many would expect Microsoft to be in the position they are now in, nor Apple.
Too big to fail now has some credence in regard to Apple. But future Apple might not look anything like the Apple we once loved, or even the Apple of today, if they aren't careful.
- Apple (unlike Amazon or Google) isn't desperately trying to create a valuable/useful platform. It already has THE mobile platform that makes money and matters.
- Voice is of limited utility. useful for some things, but often just a gimmick. It is not a huge priority for Apple because it is not the most useful thing to deliver for users.
- For this reason, voice is of limited value commercially. Amazon is establishing that the value of a voice-centric WiFi mic is around $50
- The bullshitter tech media has contrived a false narrative that says the future is 100% voice. This is obvious bullshit, just like the last narrative about bots.
If you actually read this article and didn't catch any of that, I pity you. Try opening your brain up to facts rather than just repeating nonsense you've heard a pundit say.
Apple isn't too big to fail, but neither are Amazon and Google. The fact that you can only imagine Apple failing when it's really Amazon and Google that have failed most spectacularly in delivering things people actually want to buy, says a lot about the insight and value of your comments and explains why you so contemptuously dismiss actual facts when they're laid out in front of you.
