DanielEran

crowley said:

Seriously, who cares? 
if you think this is a sign that Google is in trouble then you're as nuts as anyone who would think Apple were in trouble given the same news.

Google are fine, Apple are fine, and this Draco-Balboa grudge match the tech press wants to forment is non-existent. They're healthy competitors, and they push each other to be better. Be grateful for that.

dysamoria said:

Too bad Apple is just about the green PR, while building disposable products and pushing consumers to replace them every year. At first I believed in their environmental talk. Now it's pretty clear that it's just more marketing.

As for government: we absolutely need a hammer being swung because people won't do anything not in their immediate interests. Regulation of business is a RESPONSE to bad business behavior that harms society and life, not an arbitrary act of controlling people.

freeper said:

sog35 said:

And yet Samsung is selling 40% less premium phones than just 4 years ago..........
While Apple is selling 40% more premium phones.

Its pretty obvious which company's share of premium phones is shrinking and which is growing.

What does that have to do with your utterly false claim that Samsung wasn't making any profits at all? A claim that made no sense whatsoever given the volume of Samsung's sales?

Also, Samsung selling 40% fewer premium phones is a good thing for Android. Why? Because it means that Huawei and other companies are selling MORE. If Samsung were actually selling all the expensive phones and making all the money in Android, it would be bad for Android and Google. Having more players is good for Android and Google, which is why Google encouraged it by partnering with Huawei to make the fantastic and huge selling (by their standards) Nexus 6P. It is also why Google partnered with HTC to make the Pixel phones, to keep them from going out of business. 

But despite selling 40% fewer premium phones than 4 years ago, Samsung's revenues and profits were higher in 2016 than they were in 2014 DESPITE the Galaxy Note 7 debacle. Why? Because Samsung came out with the Edge line in 2015 and started charging $150 more per device for it, even though the Edge screen costs nowhere near $150 bucks. Samsung is also making and selling fewer cheap phone models, focusing more on their premium and more profitable midrange phones like the Galaxy A series. Samsung is learning from Apple's example and is making more money. Unless you are someone who simply wants Apple to have 90% market share because, well, just because, that is a good thing, right? Because let me tell you ... Samsung's R&D and trial-and-error marketing has given Apple a ton of ideas to rip off for the iPhone 6 and iPhone 8, without which Apple would be still selling 4' devices that had undergone no substantial changes since coming out with TouchID and 64 bit CPUs for the iPhone 5. Even Apple Pay was modeled after a Google product. (And Samsung Pay is better than both Apple Pay and Android Pay because it doesn't require NFC. Sorry, but it is true.). Competition is a good thing that helps companies, including Apple, and everyone but the fanatics is capable of admitting it.

https://news.samsung.com/global/samsung-electronics-announces-fourth-quarter-and-fy-2016-results

"Apple Pay was modeled after a Google product" FALSE. It uses technology that wasn't even available to Google when it got into Wallet. Everything about Wallet was a different approach compared to Apple Pay apart from NFC wireless technology that wasn't new. After Apple released its payment system, Google dumped its card efforts & HCE to copy Apple Pay. Samsung Pay acquired magnetic card swipe tech, but I've seen zero evidence that this is benefitting adoption of Samsung Pay or helping the company earn more money in the window where there may be people who can swipe but not tap. And that window is materially closing. 

Competition is great. But making up facts is not. Virtually everything you post is unsourced and simply not true, and much of it totally false. 

phone-ui-guy said:

So at best that was $25B for Apple. After discounts on iTunes cards, etc I'm wondering how much they actually grossed on apps.

volcan said:

ireland said:

I'm highly suspicious of that 1.4 million jobs number. I imagine a number of those so-called jobs are not earning a living wage.

I'm not suspicious. I just dismiss this sort of claim without citation as pure speculation.

maestro64 said:

I too have been noticing google has been presenting outdated information at the top. Because of this I have been looking at the date of the publish information before I click on the link google presents. There has been a number of times when I searched for a piece of information which I knew to be updated and new and Google only showed the oldest information, I had to play with the search information to finally get google to show what I was specially looking for. I know most people can not be bother and they just look at the very first thing and take it all as fact.

Part of the issue is the fact google present possible search strings base on what others have searched on, when you use those search strings they present you, you get the wrong or outdated information. I believe those who want their information to be move to the top, most likely are running Bots on googles website which repeatedly search for the same types of information and Google captures the search strings and then presents it to others. This is the issue with the automatic systems (or AI systems) google comes up with, people figure out what they are doing then use their system against them.

People have to start thinking for themselves and not let google and facebook tell them what they should think.