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lkrupp said:

sirozha said:

If batteries were replaceable, this wouldn't be an issue. You can qualify a battery as a consumable item if it can be easily replaced. Because Apple decided to glue batteries in (both in their phones and in their computers), it's no longer a consumable item unless the entire gadget is qualified as a consumable.  

Why aren’t they suing Samsung then? What about all the other devices with non user replaceable batteries? Why just Apple? I’d like to see you explain this.

Per the article, the class action is a multi-part action.  It's concerned with the battery durability and AppleCare.  Specifically, how AppleCare is sold with regards to the Consumer Protection Act.  Samsung doesn't sell AppleCare.  From a practical standpoint, they can't sue everybody at the same time.  So they, like anyone with common sense, would choose to go after the biggest purse to potentially get the largest ROI from the time and resources committed to the action.  Hypothetically, a successful suit against Apple could give them enough of a war chest to chase other vendors, but they can't attack on multiple fronts simultaneously.

StrangeDays said:
Do you likewise complain that the ports on the back of an iMac aren’t centered or symmetrically balances to either side? Why not?

Why not? That's pretty simple.  The argument isn't universally applicable.  The phone and the computer are separate things judged separately.    It would be like using the arguments about AWD vs 4WD in an SUV in a conversation about a motorcycle.  

tmay said:

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tmay said:

1STnTENDERBITS said:

The Pixel 4's design isn't stolen from Apple.  Both the Pixel 4 and the alleged iPhone 11 were "inspired" by Huawei's design from last year's Mate Pro 20.  MKBHD even shows one in comparison in the video above.  That camera module is ugly.  Will it keep people from buying the phone?  No, but it's still ugly.  No one, not even the members of the ADF have said otherwise.

I'm not sure how you would even know if Apple was "inspired" by Huawei, given the number of variations of camera bump configuration and placement on their various P, Mate, and Honor models.

Huawei certainly hasn't yet converged all of its designs to any single camera placement, but Apple has, since the first iPhone.

How is this even an argument?  They haven't converged their camera placement in their budget, mid-tier, and premium lines into one design... uh, okay I guess.  I don't even know what that means in the context of this conversation.  It's irrelevant anyway.  I was pretty specific.  I claimed they were inspired by "Huawei's design from last year's Mate Pro 20" not just Huawei in general.   

Yeah, you "claimed", but why wouldn't I accurately also claim that Apple designed their configuration without regard to Huawei?". Do you actually think that Apple designs its products in mere weeks or months, which they would have had to if they had copied the Mate 20, which was only announced in late October of last year?

Apple hasn't changed their placement, ever, and they certainly have the engineering and design to create their own optimized camera array that just coincidentally has an appearance like the Mate 20's "square" without actually being anywhere close to the same internal design. 

A better question is why doesn't Huawei have a consistent design language? Likely it's because Huawei builds a shit ton of different models in a year, and Apple only currently builds three, and they all follow the same design language.

Opinions.  Were discussing opinions.  You can't accurately claim anything, because it's an opinion.  Just like mine.  You can agree with it or disagree with it.  But whatever you do, please stop trying to move the goalpost with specious arguments.  No one is claiming Apple changed their camera placement.  My first post in this thread even mentions that Apple has always had their placement in the left corner.  But that isn't what the discussion is about and you know it.  No is arguing anything about a same internal design.  You're just making up stuff to obfuscate.  Huawei's consistency in design language isn't a better question, it's more obfuscation and deflection.  That camera module is definitely not consistent with Apple's camera design language.  I say it's inspired by the Mate 20 Pro's design.  You say it's not.   But you've introduced so many tertiary arguments that this is...  It's all good.  We disagree.  Let's leave it there.

tmay said:

1STnTENDERBITS said:

The Pixel 4's design isn't stolen from Apple.  Both the Pixel 4 and the alleged iPhone 11 were "inspired" by Huawei's design from last year's Mate Pro 20.  MKBHD even shows one in comparison in the video above.  That camera module is ugly.  Will it keep people from buying the phone?  No, but it's still ugly.  No one, not even the members of the ADF have said otherwise.

I'm not sure how you would even know if Apple was "inspired" by Huawei, given the number of variations of camera bump configuration and placement on their various P, Mate, and Honor models.

Huawei certainly hasn't yet converged all of its designs to any single camera placement, but Apple has, since the first iPhone.

How is this even an argument?  They haven't converged their camera placement in their budget, mid-tier, and premium lines into one design... uh, okay I guess.  I don't even know what that means in the context of this conversation.  It's irrelevant anyway.  I was pretty specific.  I claimed they were inspired by "Huawei's design from last year's Mate Pro 20" not just Huawei in general.   

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dedgecko said:

gatorguy said:

tmay said:

Two more months of pearl clutching by concern trolls and then we get actual reviews of the iPhone's triple camera system. 

I'm prescient.

Once the reviews are out, no one will give a fuck about the "look" of the camera bump.

I think most forum members here have always cared about how their phones look. They won't suddenly "not care". 

That also doesn't mean they won't buy a new iPhone anyway whether they think it looks great, good, average, or bad. Looks aren't the only selling point, just one of them.

“No one” meaning the millions of people in the market for a new iPhone, not the same 5-10 negative-Apple-Nancy’s who come to offer their opinions on AI.

The alleged new bump looks to be the same size as the GoPro lens. No one cares about those either.

Though didn’t the Pixel 4 Leak already confirm someone has stolen the alleged iPhone 11 design?  

The Pixel 4's design isn't stolen from Apple.  Both the Pixel 4 and the alleged iPhone 11 were "inspired" by Huawei's design from last year's Mate Pro 20.  MKBHD even shows one in comparison in the video above.  That camera module is ugly.  Will it keep people from buying the phone?  No, but it's still ugly.  No one, not even the members of the ADF have said otherwise.

I'm not seeing where Apple was "inspired" by Huawei's design, given Apple's long roadmap, and how Apple's design group operates. But if you have any evidence of it, please post it. 

More likely, it is that the square camera bump is functionally ideal, and truth be told, any camera bump is a compromise, so why not optimize it for the best imaging and video?

If you can't see the similarity I can't help you bud.  That's a level of dissonance I can't overcome.  You want me to post evidence of my opinion?  You're using that debate tactic incorrectly.    The square module is no more likely to be functionally ideal than it is a design choice by apple.  Smartphone cameras have been producing great images from both vertical and horizontal modules for quite some time.  Silly speculation about ideal arrangements for AR, VR, or George R.R. Martin, is just that: silly speculation.  I've yet to see any evidence to support it. ← That's preemptive.  You didn't mention it, but it usually pops up in a thread about the camera module.