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lkrupp said:

Sounds like a whole lot of rigmarole to get this to work. Also sounds like Apple doesn’t consider this a major problem at this time or it’s going to take longer to deal with it than 90 days. So this guy says Apple stopped responding to his emails so he got mad and released the exploit to show Apple how important he is. 

It really has nothing to do with showing how important he is.  It has long been standard operating procedure to withhold vulnerability details for 90 days to give the vendor time to mitigate the issue.  At the end of 90 days the researcher either discloses details or gives the vendor more time if it's needed.  The key is communicating the need for more time; which he claims Apple didn't do and they stopped communicating altogether.  The 90 day deadline is there to encourage vendors to clean up their software in a timely manner so that we're all collectively less vulnerable.  

If it's as the researcher claimed -Apple ceased communication- that's their right.  They may have valid reasons to do so, or it could be as you guessed and they thought the problem didn't warrant follow up.  Either way, he did what he was supposed to do: disclose the vulnerability

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macxpress said:

Oh boy...the internet is going to explode with this report! 

Instead of playing the wait and see approach, let's just jump to conclusions and bitch about the keyboard instead. 

The prognosticators are going to have a field day, amirite?

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Here's to hoping the changes help mitigate the keyboard issues for future buyers.  The headline imo, though provocative, does seem to mirror Apple's confidence in the "fix" since this keyboard has been preemptively added to the repair program.  This seems like the 3rd mitigation to be thrown against the wall with the hopes that it will stick.  If it doesn't... oh well, it 's already in the program.  

Seems only fair to reserve judgement until some actual reviews come out. A tear down from iFixit isn’t a review. This is one of the things I hate about iFixit. They rush to get products to tear down and then throw it up on their site for clicks. iFixit is just guessing and then sites like The Verge are ruining with iFixit’s guesses rather than waiting until they have a unit they can test. 

What iFixit guesses are you referencing?  Surely your not attributing AI's opinion that the keyboard changes won't do much to iFixit. ← intended   iFixit had nothing to do with that opinion.  As for reserving judgment for reviews, how exactly would that help assess the efficacy of the keyboard changes?  That doesn't make sense.  You say sites like the Verge should wait until they have a unit to test.  Then what?  What test are they supposed to run that is going to assess the keyboard changes?

As for expressing an opinion now.  The original was flawed.  So was the replacement.  As was the replacement's replacement...and the replacement's replacement's replacement.  Why would one have confidence this latest fix is going to be the One.  I mean, if it was code named Neo during development I'd have some optimism.  This fix seems more like a fingers crossed, hope this works kinda deal.  

I’m saying no one has used this machine yet but already they’ve determined the keyboard will be a failure again. iFixit can do all the tear downs they want. Doesn’t make them the authority on this keyboard no matter how much Kyle Wiens thinks it does. 

What did iFixit say that you disagree with?  It seems that you're complaining about iFixit just for the sake of complaining.  They did a tear down.  They didn't make any claims about the new keyboard. AI did. That's a fairly reasonable assumption imo, considering the track record of this keyboard design.  I think it's certainly a more reasonable assumption than to think it's finally fixed.

This article was written based of iFixit’s teardown wasn’t it? This is from iFixit’s review:

What this doesn't tell us is, just what problem Apple's engineers tried to solve using this updated material. Send us your ideas!

So basically the iFixit teardown gives us no real insight into whether these changes are going to improve reliability yet everyone using their teardown to write their own stories is making assumptions this won’t change anything. I think The Verge, AI and others should get a unit and use it for a week before giving an opinion on the new keyboard.

Yeah, but you're shooting the messenger.  As you pointed out, iFixit clearly states they don't know if the fix will work.  iFixit can't be blamed for other entities like AI and the Verge taking their teardown and drawing their own conclusions.  iFixit basically says here's what's inside, here's what's different.  We don't know if the differences fix it.  Verge says whatever they say, AI says what they say, and you come with "this is one of the things I hate about iFixit".  Aren't you misdirecting your ire just a little bit?  The teardown is innocuous.  How AI and the Verge interpret it is on them, not iFixit. 

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macxpress said:

Oh boy...the internet is going to explode with this report! 

Instead of playing the wait and see approach, let's just jump to conclusions and bitch about the keyboard instead. 

The prognosticators are going to have a field day, amirite?

On topic:
Here's to hoping the changes help mitigate the keyboard issues for future buyers.  The headline imo, though provocative, does seem to mirror Apple's confidence in the "fix" since this keyboard has been preemptively added to the repair program.  This seems like the 3rd mitigation to be thrown against the wall with the hopes that it will stick.  If it doesn't... oh well, it 's already in the program.  

Seems only fair to reserve judgement until some actual reviews come out. A tear down from iFixit isn’t a review. This is one of the things I hate about iFixit. They rush to get products to tear down and then throw it up on their site for clicks. iFixit is just guessing and then sites like The Verge are ruining with iFixit’s guesses rather than waiting until they have a unit they can test. 

What iFixit guesses are you referencing?  Surely your not attributing AI's opinion that the keyboard changes won't do much to iFixit. ← intended   iFixit had nothing to do with that opinion.  As for reserving judgment for reviews, how exactly would that help assess the efficacy of the keyboard changes?  That doesn't make sense.  You say sites like the Verge should wait until they have a unit to test.  Then what?  What test are they supposed to run that is going to assess the keyboard changes?

As for expressing an opinion now.  The original was flawed.  So was the replacement.  As was the replacement's replacement...and the replacement's replacement's replacement.  Why would one have confidence this latest fix is going to be the One.  I mean, if it was code named Neo during development I'd have some optimism.  This fix seems more like a fingers crossed, hope this works kinda deal.  

I’m saying no one has used this machine yet but already they’ve determined the keyboard will be a failure again. iFixit can do all the tear downs they want. Doesn’t make them the authority on this keyboard no matter how much Kyle Wiens thinks it does. 

What did iFixit say that you disagree with?  It seems that you're complaining about iFixit just for the sake of complaining.  They did a tear down.  They didn't make any claims about the new keyboard. AI did. That's a fairly reasonable assumption imo, considering the track record of this keyboard design.  I think it's certainly a more reasonable assumption than to think it's finally fixed.

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Seems that Apple might have wanted to wait a few more weeks to settle. 

It will take many months to work through the appeals process.  And the outcome is not guaranteed.  Apple needed the chips now 

But as long as the FTC wins at the end, it will not matter.   The contract will get torn up 

I don't see that happening. 

Doesn't the ruling mandate that:

"...Qualcomm must negotiate or renegotiate license terms with customers in good faith under conditions free from the threat of lack of access to or discriminatory provision of modem chip supply or associated technical support or access to software."

Which could give Apple a leg up on redoing the contract.

Negotiate - From a go-forward perspective.  Renegotiate - if terms were negotiated under bad faith and threats.  There's nothing available that says Apple and QC negotiated their agreement under bad faith or threats.  In fact, there's a fair contingent of AI forum members who insist it was Apple negotiating from a position of strength so the conditions for renegotiation weren't really present.  We don't know so we can't assume.  Regardless, that excerpt you quoted does not mandate renegotiation.

Everything in Koh's ruling points to Qualcomm operating under bad faith. Hell, she stopped just short of calling Q's witnesses/executive perjurers. They lost on nearly every count and she mandated government oversight for a period of seven years. The parties are holding the contract close to their vests, so no one can say with definitive proof who won. But given the previous worldwide rulings against Qualcomm, this outcome and the upcoming German trials, Qualcomm will be in a world of hurt.

You seem to be equating her opinion of Qualcomm's overall actions with those of Qualcomm's actions regarding their settlement with Apple.   Renegotiation would occur if the perceived injured party wants to renegotiate.  There's nothing that says Apple would even want to do so or find advantage in doing so.

Apple already has a new Deal with QCOM, they preempted this decision. It was in QCOM best decision to settle with Apple ahead of this decision. If there is going to be court oversight in any future licensing agreements, did not want that as part of the Apple deal. No one should kid themselves into thinking Apple and QCOM did not know the outcome of the case, They both knew where it was head and they both agree ahead of time to strike a new deal.

Yeah, your sentiment is similar to my response to Red Oak.  I think Apple and QC did their deal with the FTC in mind.  

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Another long winded “editorial” that when you boil it down is nothing more than whining about media coverage of Apple.

DED seems to oscillate between two frequencies: persecution and schadenfreude.  Either the world is being unfairly mean to 'the precious' or the enemies of 'the precious' are having troubles so let's celebrate.  My dude's opinions are about as nuanced as stop sign, and as predictable as day following night.  I think if he made an even half-hearted effort to separate his 'wheat' from his copious amounts of 'chaff' his points would have more clarity.  'Til then we get... well, stuff like this.

Congratulations on being my most hateful fan. You are really insidious in your unbridled layering of insults with the same simplistic thickness that you accuse me of. Perhaps you're projecting?  

Hateful? Bud, you severely over estimate your relevance.  At most you're mildly amusing and slightly annoying.  I am surprised at your level of extreme sensitivity though... and if I'm honest, a little disappointed.  With all the bravado you exhibit when answering comments with your own insults, I thought you had thicker skin.  If you can't take criticism, might I suggest you ignore the critic, or come up with better points that overcome the criticism.  I think you're much better off ignoring the critic in this case.  

Perhaps I'm projecting?  Maybe, but I doubt it.  I know for a fact I'm not whiny though.  Can you make that claim?  Now, if you'd like a detante so that we can go back to discussing actual points of disagreement, I'd love that.  Or we can continue this pettiness. Not a good look for either of us.  I'd prefer discussing the points, but I'm fine either way.