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racerhomie3 said:

mikethemartian said:

Maybe the case meets that spec when it is milled but gets deformed during the rest of the assembly process?

What are you even talking about. Return the thing if it appears bent to you.Why is this something you have to tell people.

Why are you repeatedly saying "just return it"?  I think everyone here knows to return it if it bent.  But you seem hell bent (intented) on trying to down play the issue.  People hold Apple to higher standards because Apple holds themselves to higher standards.  They're responses to this issue, thus far don't reflect a high standard.  It smacks of legalese.  
It's pretty obvious some of the bending is beyond 400 microns.  That's not explained by "tolerances".  The issue should be addressed properly so that people have confidence in the products they're buying.  "Return 'til you get a good one" isn't the solution.

lkrupp said:

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lkrupp said:

Threads like this are hilarious. All the trolls come out of the woodwork to explain why Apple is actually failing. The usual shipped vs sold argument is regurgitated every time. After every financial report comes a comment thread like this one. Why can’t you guys accept the fact that Apple is a wildly successful company that makes products people love to buy and use? Enough with the “overpriced” bullshit, enough with the “Jobs is dead” crap, enough with the stagnation, innovation, QA horse manure. Just learn to live with the fact that Apple is a well run, profitable company who’s customer satisfaction statistics are the envy of the business world. There has never been a company like Apple and we should be enjoying it while it lasts. I know I am and if I thought like some of you I would have switched platforms years ago.

You seem to be confusing disagreement about posted comments with a dislike for Apple.  That's not true in most cases.  In most cases it's a refutation of "facts" presented.  Apple's success is undeniable.  That success however does not give license to certain fans to push false info.  The criticism isn't criticism of Apple.  It's criticism of the content of the comment.  Liking Apple does not give one free reign to just make up stuff.   There are some who hate Apple and see no right, just like there are some who love Apple and see no wrong.  It's up to you to discern genuine criticism from fanboy hate/love.  It's also up to you to recognize the difference between criticism of a comment and criticism of Apple.  They aren't necessarily the same thing.  

I do agree with you on one thing though.  The sold vs shipped issue was settled a long time ago.  Not sure how people still push that narrative.

Not confused. What I am referring to are the users and trolls who fly off the handle when Apple does something they don’t like, be it headphone jack, notch, bezel, magsafe or ports. I know their pain because I was one of them years ago when Apple switched from PowerPC to Intel. I had swallowed the cisc vs risc argument hook, line and sinker, that slower was actually faster. I had numerous posts deleted on the Apple discussion forums over my rage. A few years later it meant nothing and I learned a lesson. When Apple does something I don’t like I try to accept it for what it is and why they might have done it. I don’t go postal and start predicting, hoping, even advocating for Apple to fail like so many do here. I have also learned that nothing, zilch, nada is accomplished on tech blog forums. There are no reasoned discussions, no back and forth, no debates. It’s just anonymous posts going past each other in the digital swamp. Personal opinions are presented as indisputable facts. Studies and surveys are twisted and spun to conform to personal biases. Disagreement spouted for the sole sake of contrariness (I had an uncle like that). AI is about the only tech blog I comment on these days. Places like MacRumors and 9to5Mac are horrendous hell holes and have been for years now, completely dominated by negativity, venom, and bile. And you know why? Because the posters there cannot abide, let alone understand why Apple is as successful as they are.

Whoa, that's a lot to unpack.  Glad you got over rage.  That can be unproductive.  It's also good you understand tech forums (forums in general) are not meant for accomplishing anything.  They're simply for exchanging ideas.  Some positive, some negative, most somewhere in between.  It's interesting that you find respite on AI.  Across the interwebs, AI has the reputation of being a sycophantic echo chamber, where the slightest hint of criticism of Apple ignites a firestorm of hater, paid troll, and other invectives.  It's the primary reason I don't post here a lot.  Say if someone says "Apple sold more phones than any company this quarter" and another poster correctly states "No they didn't, they sold the 3rd most".  Typically what you get is "OMG dude hates Apple and is jealous of their success".  Nothing in that exchange is about hating Apple, it's about the bad info presented by the forum member.   There are a few members here who only seem to have two modes, PRAISE and ATTACK.  I try to avoid interactions with 'em.  Thus far, my time on AI has proven more fruitful because of it.  Maybe you could try the same with those on the opposite extreme.  There are a ton of people on this site who display an ability to recognize Apple's achievements while maintaining an ability to constructively criticize things that need criticizing.  If a person can only acknowledge the good or only acknowledge the bad, they are just opposite sides of the same coin.  Equally undesirable imo.  

lkrupp said:

Threads like this are hilarious. All the trolls come out of the woodwork to explain why Apple is actually failing. The usual shipped vs sold argument is regurgitated every time. After every financial report comes a comment thread like this one. Why can’t you guys accept the fact that Apple is a wildly successful company that makes products people love to buy and use? Enough with the “overpriced” bullshit, enough with the “Jobs is dead” crap, enough with the stagnation, innovation, QA horse manure. Just learn to live with the fact that Apple is a well run, profitable company who’s customer satisfaction statistics are the envy of the business world. There has never been a company like Apple and we should be enjoying it while it lasts. I know I am and if I thought like some of you I would have switched platforms years ago.

You seem to be confusing disagreement about posted comments with a dislike for Apple.  That's not true in most cases.  In most cases it's a refutation of "facts" presented.  Apple's success is undeniable.  That success however does not give license to certain fans to push false info.  The criticism isn't criticism of Apple.  It's criticism of the content of the comment.  Liking Apple does not give one free reign to just make up stuff.   There are some who hate Apple and see no right, just like there are some who love Apple and see no wrong.  It's up to you to discern genuine criticism from fanboy hate/love.  It's also up to you to recognize the difference between criticism of a comment and criticism of Apple.  They aren't necessarily the same thing.  

I do agree with you on one thing though.  The sold vs shipped issue was settled a long time ago.  Not sure how people still push that narrative.

tmay said:

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anantksundaram said:

Junk for a junk market. As usual, with stolen IP. 

Ugh. 

Not to mention probably not a lot of profit even if they didn't need any R&D $.

Not for nothing, they spent more on R&D than Apple did.  

Are you sure, and did you account for the fact that the majority of Huawei's business is still Telecom?

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2018/3/15/an-apple-rd-bonanza

Looks like both companies will spend about $14 B in 2018.

Spent.  As in full year 2017.  You're quoting numbers that haven't been tallied yet.  Regardless of how much each company spends, the quote by MacPro is easily refuted.

SpamSandwich said:

LOL. Who cares about units shipped? Down that road lies ruin.

How is shipped vs sold still a persistent thing?  I'm sure you're well aware that Apple's "sold" is the same thing as Huawei's shipped.  Apple has made that clear in their earnings reports.  They consider iPhones sold when they ship to the customer.  That customer is AT&T, Verizon, Best Buy, Walmart, etc.  The only phones that are sold and counted as such are phones sold in Apple stores,  Apple online, and some education sales.  The majority of Apple's phone "sales" occur as shipped.  This is old news.  Not sure how you don't already know this.